Folks if there's one thing we truly try to be is to be INDEPENDENT thinkers. To truly be one, and we define being independent as judgment unaffected by society's perspective and thoughts, it takes time, energy, lots of research, reading and self reflection. In his youngeryears, Josh, wished he was wired less hot and didn't spend so much time pursuing "sextracurricular activities," and perhaps, he would be a published author by now. Jo wishes she spent MORE time pursuing such activities so that she isn't such a naive 50 plus year old today. As we look back on our old podcasts, we do recognize that we've stayed somewhat true to our personal goals of trying to be better and our evolution is apparent and continues. For this, I'm quite proud of myself and, my dear friend and accomplice, Josh. We hope we've served some of this purpose to our listenership.