Larry weighs in on NBA players and their stances on COVID-19 vaccinations (01:00). Later, Larry is joined by magician and author Joshua Jay to discuss his latest book, ‘How Magicians Think,’ and how many magicians get into magic for the same reasons but stay for different ones (14:00). Later, they talk about the ethics of a magician and diversity in the world of magic, and Jay even performs some magic effects.

Host: Larry Wilmore

Guest: Joshua Jay

Producer: Kaya McMullen

Production Assistant: Jonathan Kermah

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