Hank Wesselman, anthropologist and expert on shamanic traditions, explores the intersection of ancient spiritual practices and modern consciousness. The conversation delves into shamanic journeying, altered states of consciousness, and the role of shamans as intermediaries between ordinary and non-ordinary reality. Wesselman brings academic credibility to discussions of traditional healing practices, spirit communication, and indigenous wisdom traditions that have guided human societies for millennia. Art and Wesselman examine how shamanic techniques can provide insights into contemporary challenges, bridging ancient knowledge with modern understanding. The discussion covers the anthropological study of shamanism across different cultures, revealing common elements in spiritual practices worldwide. Wesselman shares his fieldwork experiences and personal journey into shamanic consciousness, explaining how academic training prepared him to understand these phenomena scientifically while remaining open to their transformative potential. The conversation explores the practical applications of shamanic healing and the growing Western interest in indigenous spiritual technologies. This episode represents Art's commitment to presenting serious academic perspectives on subjects often dismissed by mainstream institutions.