Art Bell speaks with attorney Peter Gersten, director of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, about his pending FOIA lawsuit against the Department of Defense concerning V-shaped triangular craft. Gersten reveals his plan to subpoena and depose both Peter Davenport and Dr. Steven M. Greer, seeking the identities of government insiders who have privately confirmed the reality of UFOs. Art wrestles with the ethical dilemma of forcing disclosure from researchers who promised confidentiality to their sources.

Major Ed Dames of the PsyTech Corporation joins to discuss remote viewing and the significance of NIDS research at an undisclosed hotspot in the Southwest. Dames describes his own past discovery of UFO hotspots through military remote viewing sessions he conducted covertly as training exercises. He connects his findings to Jacques Vallee's concept of a control system, arguing that the phenomena at these sites are projections designed to test human intelligence and readiness.

Dames asserts that Bigfoot sightings, chupacabra encounters, and cattle mutilations are temporary projections created by this system as coded messages. He contends that genuine contact will only occur when researchers demonstrate a fundamental shift in understanding, moving beyond the desire to capture technology and toward recognizing the deeper nature of the intelligence behind the phenomena.