When it comes to the many characters of sleeper Christmas favorite The Family Stone, writer and podcaster (John Dutton Must Die: A Yellowstone Podcast, My Year With Dolly) wishes he could identify as an Amy. But he sees himself instead as a Julie – as in Claire Danes character, the sister who rushes in to save the day and somehow manages to charm the insular Stone family. He tells Jordan about that affinity and why he will go to bat for the manic pixie dream girl.

Then, Jordan has one quick thing about Love Lies Bleeding.

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