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Justin Wolfers on the Cost of War


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Justin Wolfers returns to the Hot Dish to unpack the economic and political impacts of the Iran war with Heidi and Joel. This episode offers a clear-eyed view of how markets, government decisions, and public sentiment intertwine during times of crisis.


Justin explains the historic lows in consumer sentiment and approval ratings for political leaders, and addresses the real economic costs of the war, including market declines and wealth destruction. He also addresses:

  • How the increased costs of energy and input supplies are impacting rural farmers and urban consumers (10:57)
  • The political implications of leadership styles, democracy, and the "king" mentality in the White House (3:07, 5:01)
  • The demonstration of market correction and its long-term significance, emphasizing the importance of resistance to overconfidence (14:02)
  • The critical role of fiscal policy, debt, and deficits, with insights from Reagan, Clinton, Obama, and Trump eras (36:32)
  • The human toll of war, including displacement and emotional trauma, versus the cold numbers of market losses (27:15, 34:27)
  • How public perception and demonization affect policy, especially in the context of gas prices and military engagement (24:45, 28:19)
  • The importance of connecting economic policy to human stories and moral considerations (33:13)

Resources & Links:

Justin Wolfers - University of Michigan


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  • (00:00) - Introduction
  • (01:24) - Consumer Sentiment and Presidential Approval
  • (05:32) - The Impact of War on the Economy
  • (10:33) - Rural Economy and Input Costs
  • (13:24) - Market Corrections and War Effects
  • (17:19) - Economic Implications of Wealth Loss
  • (18:43) - The Cost of Conflict: Economic Impacts on Households
  • (21:45) - Understanding Wealth Disparities: Who Really Loses?
  • (24:36) - Market Reactions: Short-Term Pain vs. Long-Term Gains
  • (27:15) - Empathy in Economics: The Human Cost of War
  • (30:53) - The Disconnect: Military Engagement and Public Perception
  • (35:43) - Debt and Responsibility: A Political Perspective
  • ...more
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