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Anika Meier is a writer and curator specializing in digital art and digital communication. Anika is a writer for KUNSTFORUM and founded Expanded.Art, a digital gallery with a physical location in Berlin. She was part of the Art Blocks curatorial board and is a member of the House of Electronic Arts in Basel curatorial committee. Her long list of collaborations/curatorial projects includes artists such as Marina Abramović, Herbert W Franke, and Lee Mullican.

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In today’s episode, we discuss:

[4:00] Anika’s early involvement in the art world.

[9:50] How writing from an early stage in her career helped Anika build her network.

[12:50] Discovering NFTs and blockchain art. Mentioned: Jonas Lund.

[16:30] Getting to work with Marina Abramovic for Circa on Tezos.

[18:30] Meeting Herbert W. Franke and his wife, Susanne Päch in Munich. Mentioned: Kevin Abosch.

[20:45] Meeting Herbert W. Franke and collaborating with him for the MATH collection and his tribute.

[36:00] Advice for young curators: how to get started?

[42:00] The curatorial process when you are part of a committee.

[47:00] Lee Mullican pieces from the 1960s and 1970s are showcased at Expanded.Art and what visitors think about them.

[51:00] What’s the vision behind Expanded.Art and Voices of Web 3? Mentioned: Ana María Caballero, Sasha Stiles, Anne Spalter.

[104:15] Why is there such a big gap between female and male artists in the generative art space? Mentioned: Unsigned by Operator, Qubibi.

[112:50] Three inspiring artists for Anika Meier: Margaret Murphy, Hans Dehlinger, and Ana María Caballero. Also mentioned: theVerseVerse, Maya Man.

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- Kaloh

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Elena Zavelev heads Marketing and Partnerships at Live Art and is a Co-Founder & CEO at CADAF & New Art Academy. She is a Web3 expert with a focus on digital art and education. Elena has successfully built and curated projects and products for artists, curators & collectors since 2017 and runs educational programs at Sotheby’s and Christie’s.

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In today’s episode, we discuss:

[1:45] Why Blockchain Will Impact The Art Market article on Forbes from 2018.

[5:00] Starting CADAF, a festival and fair for digital art, in 2019. Mentioned: Sofia Crespo.

[6:30] Bridging traditional artists to the space with Live Art. Mentioned: Yue Minjun & Laughing Man.

[12:10] How hard is it to bring traditional collectors to the space?

[13:30] Selling a Crypto Punk in the CADAF art fair in New York 2019, presented by Kate Vass. Mentioned: OpenSea, Cameron Winklevoss, Tyler Winklevoss, Nifty Gateway.

[17:45] Biggest challenges for students and newcomers.

[20:15] The traditional art gallery world. How does it work? What’s the profile of typical traditional art collectors?

[24:35] How are traditional art sales tracked? Mentioned: Live Art Database.

[29:00] The impact and recent work of Sotheby’s Metaverse.

[33:00] Elena’s way of teaching blockchain art and her upcoming course with Christie’s. Mentioned: Super Blue.

[38:50] What is Elena excited about these days?

[44:00] Announcing CADAF acquisition by Live Art and what it means.

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Valerie Whitacre is the Head of Arts at Trilitech, a London-based hub dedicated to developing and elevating new ideas and innovation built on the Tezos ecosystem. Previously, she led sales and business development at prestigious private galleries in London for 15 years, specializing in photography and modern masters of the medium.

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In today’s episode, we discuss:

[0:30] What’s Trilitech? A Hub for the development of culture and technology around the Tezos blockchain. Mentioned: Pronoia.

[5:00] How did Valerie enter the art world and start a fifteen-year-long career as a fine photography gallerist?

[7:30] Working with artists states and artists that passed away and a resentful feeling from the traditional art world towards blockchain art.

[13:00] What is the intention behind the Tezos Foundation and Trilitech initiatives? Mentioned: Serpentine Gallery, Musée d’Orsay.

[20:00] Mindblowing projects running on Tezos like the MoMA Postcard, powered by Autonomy wallet, and upcoming projects and initiatives. Mentioned: Diane Drubay, We Are Museums, Sean Moss-Pultz.

[28:30] Our experiences with live minting experiences. Mentioned: objkt.com

[35:00] “Web 3 and the NFT community was thriving for those that joined during COVID and were isolated…”

[39:00] Entry barriers for people and institutions trying to enter the Tezos ecosystem. Mentioned: British Museum.

[42:00] “This isn’t a political movement; this is an art movement.”

[49:30] What is Valerie excited about these days…

[55:30] Three artists that inspire Valerie: IX Shells, Erwin Olaf, and Anika Meier (curator). Mentioned: Expanded.Art

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Micol founded Vertical, a house for art and culture on the blockchain. She has curated and collaborated with hundreds of artists, curators, and collectors. Throughout Vertical, Micol launched Proof of People, a multi-day festival for art, music, and fashion in New York City and London, and has supported hundreds of digital artists with the Vertical Crypto Residency program.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

[0:30] Frieze Week and adoption of digital art in this important art fare.

[3:30] “Galleries worldwide would like to explore digital art, but they just don’t know how.”

[8:00] Proof of People is an open festival that focuses on having a good time with friends, ideally for everyone.

[9:40] Micol's past lives working at Meta (Facebook) and her thoughts on Meta’s potential influence on the blockchain and virtual reality.

[15:30] What’s Vertical? A cultural ecosystem that wants to bridge what’s happening today across digital art, music, and fashion into contemporary culture.

[18:30] Micol’s advice for founders.

[29:00] How to curate, work, and collaborate with artists? Mentioned: Anika Meier, Sutu, Operator, Alex Estorick, Right Click Save, Seth Goldstein, Emi Kusano.

[31:40] Risk-taking in the space and curatorial frameworks. Mentioned: Mario Klingemann, Helena Sarin.

[38:30] Art strategy and supporting artists on the release of their work.

[41:20] The selling out factor and experimentation. Mentioned: Oona, Manifold, Transient Labs.

[48:20] Three inspiring digital artists: Operator, Oona, and Linda Dounia.

Until next time,

- Kaloh

Alejandro Cartagena is an award-winning fine art photographer and the co-founder of Fellowship. His projects employ landscape and portraiture to examine social, urban, and environmental issues. Cartagena’s work has been exhibited internationally in more than 50 group and individual exhibitions, and his art is held by some of the world's most important public and private collections.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

[2:30] Brief introduction to Alejandro's career and how his artistic career started.

[7:50] Focussing on fine art photography and how his assignments and commissions for the New York Times and The Washington Post were aligned to his documentary artistic vision —finding beauty in the everyday.

[9:50] How living in Latin America inspired his work because of plenty of social tensions. It is not a bubble; “it is always changing, it’s not finished.”

[12:30] How Alejandro creates projects that usually take over five years.

[16:00] Comparing the early days as an emerging artist to today’s projects. “For six years, I reinvested everything I earned into my practice. I was all in, which helped me accelerate my career.”

[21:00] Living in Mexico was a strategic advantage as life is cheaper there. Even though Alejandro was aiming at the international market, living in New York City or London would have been extremely hard.

[24:30] Alejandro worked as a digitizer for The Archive. That’s how he understood the importance of sharing his art online (on his website).

[27:00] From 2012 - 2014, Alejandro created Carpoolers and went viral online multiple times. He minted his first NFT on Foundation with little success in 2020 —even if his art was held in various museums and had won numerous awards, he understood he had to fit in the digital culture.

[32:00] Early collectors like Deafbeef and FingerprintsDAO were critical for his success.

[34:00] The story behind Carpoolers: how difficult it is to own a house, the dream of being a homeowner in Mexico, and the influence of traffic and transportation for construction workers.

[46:00] Co-founding Fellowship Trust (with Studio137) to collect the best NFT photographs in the world.

[51:00] Photography transformed the world; we try to find artists already thinking under that premise. Mentioned: Dmitri Cherniak, Roope Rainisto

[54:15] “AI is a consequence of photography.”

[55:00] Where are we going? How Alejandro sees the future of arts impacted by AI.

[59:00] Inspired by all the artists he works with at Fellowship and Fellowship AI. Mentioned: AI.S.A.M, Julie Wieland, Cuco.

Laurence Fuller is an actor, digital artist, and collector. Having recently taken on the role of the iconic British painter David Hockney in the new HBO Max series MINX ~ Laurence Fuller is best known for his lead roles in films “Road To The Well,” “Apostle Peter & The Last Supper” and “Paint It Red.” He is also known for combining poetry and AI in his digital art creations, including collections like Poetics, Elysium Rising, and Way In The Deep, collaborating with actor, producer, and director Vincent D'Onofrio.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

[1:00] The current issue with the Hollywood actors and writers involving AI scans.

[5:00] How can artificial intelligence support actors and artists? Mentioned: Vincent D'Onofrio.

[7:45] How does Laurence balance being an actor and a digital artist? And recently role-playing David Hockney at Minx (HBO Max).

[11:00] How did his poetry and digital art help Laurence to land roles as an actor? “If someone is really accomplished at something, figure out what they are passionate about and try to help them with that passion instead of the thing they are famous for.“

[15:00] How did method acting and his father's work as a writer and art critic (Peter Fuller, founder of Modern Painters) get Laurence interested in writing poetry?

[21:00] The difference between art discussions before 1990 and today from Laurence's perspective.

[25:00] The evolution of the digital art space across the last three years. Mentioned: hic et nunc, Super Rare, Tezos

[29:00] Marketplaces influence in the space like Super Rare, MarkersPlace, Manifold.

[33:10] Laurence's advice for all kinds of artists: focus on your art, and the right people will come to help you.

[34:50] The pieces Laurence Fuller is most proud of. Mentioned: goldcat, Helio Santos, Ruben Fro, Tania Rivilis, Jenni Pasanen, Henrikaau, Von Doyle, Collections: Poetics, Elysium Rising

[42:00] Collaborations and having a team in the digital art space.

[43:00] 3 emerging artists recommended by Laurence: @Kopfgestaltung, Ksenia Buridanova, Kx_.

This was the first live-streamed episode, and we ran into technical issues with the audio. The issue will be fixed in the upcoming episode.

The good news is the podcast is now available on YouTube.

Aleksandra is a creative producer who runs partnerships at Joyn.xyz, a co-creation platform, and co-founded Electric Artefacts, a curatorial advisory that focused on Digital art and Blockchain projects. Aleksandra is also the Ambassador and former Director of Partnerships at .ART, the digital address for the arts community. She has curated shows digitally and physically, including Code Chronicles at Bitforms Gallery in NYC. Aleksandra holds a Master’s degree in Art Business from Sotheby's Institute of Art.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

[1:00] Experience from Alek’s recent trip to Korea for Seoul 2023 Arts and Blockchain Week.

[3:00] Differences between NFT and digital art events in America/Europe and Asia and thoughts on the language barrier for non-English speakers. Mentioned: Frieze.

[12:00] Does physical location matter in the digital art world for artists, collectors, curators, and art professionals? Mentioned Proof of People by Vertical.

[15:45] Alek’s beginning in art and how a Master’s in art from Sotheby’s art school was impactful in her career. Mentioned: CADAF.

[22:50] Differences between the traditional art market and the digital art market. Dutch Auctions are applied very differently in both worlds. “It seems that they are applying the old principles without embracing the new principles.”

[25:30] Challenges from the digital art world. Mentioned: LeRandom, Artxcode.

[29:30] Curating a show for Bitforms Gallery in NYC. Mentioned: Dmitri Cherniak, Zach Kaplan, Rhizome, Michael O’Connor, Manfred Mohr, Beeple, Ana María Caballero, Sarah Friend, Sara Ludy, LIA, Maya Man, Sarah Ridgley, Helena Sarin, and Ivona Tau.

[37:00] How to start curating?

[42:30] How Joyn is supporting the ecosystem with a platform for collaborating, showcasing, and creating galleries.

[46:00] AI portrait series and Alek’s experience creating and releasing her own art.

Jason Bailey, aka Artnome, is a thought leader in the NFT art space. He has been promoting technology, artists, and blockchain art since 2017. Jason founded the popular blog artnome.com, where he triggered an art analytics revolution. Jason is also the co-founder and CEO of Right Click Save, a publication that focuses on dialog around digital art, and Club NFT, a software company that creates tools for digital collectors.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

[0:55] How living in the woods and rural areas helps with disconnecting and staying fresh.

[2:05] How did Jason get started in the art world? Painting as a young kid and going to art school.

[6:45] Why he created a huge art database about data from the 20th century. His name, Artnome, was inspired by the genome but for art. He created www.artnome.com to share insights about the data in his database.

[10:35] A friend told him about blockchain and how it helps with authentication, a similar topic he was tackling with his art database. That led Jason to write the blockchain art market is here.

[14:20] Co-founding Right Click Save (RCS), what’s the vision behind it, and how Jason and Alex Storick (RCS Editor) see the goal behind RCS.

[18:35] How do you fund a publication like Right Click Save?

[22:05] Three problems Artnome is trying to solve for serious NFT collectors via his company, Club NFT.

[29:00] Collecting xCopy first NFT and losing it after the marketplace shut down.

[35:00] Why is the onboarding problem so hard to solve?

[39:00] The state of generative art according to Artnome. Mentioned: Casey Reas, Vera Molnar.

[42:00] Artists and art Jason is interested in Santiago, udntknowwhoweare, HUMAN KERNEL, Anna Lucia, Operator, James Paterson, Stephen Ramsay, and Jason Salavon.

Ivona Tau is a Lithuanian A.I. researcher turned full-time generative A.I. artist. Tau’s work has been exhibited widely, including Art Basel Miami Beach, SCOPE, CAFA, Art Week Shenzhen, Vellum, Bitforms New York, Venus Over Manhattan, The House of Fine Art, Bright Moments Berlin, and Sotheby’s New York. She holds a Ph.D. in Artificial Intelligence from the Polish-Japanese Academy of Information Technology and published multiple scientific papers in the field of Computer Vision and Artificial Neural Networks.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

[0:25] Taking breaks, planning holidays, and staying offline.

[2:15] Ivona’s lifestyle as a researcher and her Ph.D. work. It was a great way to understand the tools and push their boundaries to explore their limits.

[13:00] She started to learn about NFTs and published her first NFT AI work in early 2021. Ivona describes the changes and evolution of the tools in a short period (2 years).

[15:45] “I am a big fan of returning to old tools because you can’t always chase the next big thing, and by trying new shiny things, you can’t master the tool.”

[18:00] What’s Ivona’s Tau art vision?

[20:30] Which collections are you most proud of? blue hours, 1/1’s on Foundation, Whispers in code.

[23:15] The difference between AI art and generative art. Mentioned: Study of atom in analog, digital and A.I., Mythic Latent Glitches, INFINITE | 無限.

[28:00] Curated collections vs. long-form noncurated projects.

[31:50] The story behind Machine Hearted via K011.

[35:00] Text-to-image and prompt AI - “If you want to create something very original, I recommend you try to craft your own images and train your data because otherwise, you use someone else’s models.”

[37:20] “AI is a very vague and ambiguous term. At the end of the day, AI is patterns taken from data.”

[38:30] Ivona’s secrets to creating AI art, training models, gathering data, software tools, and hardware.

[48:00] Ivona’s top three artists: “the colors of William Egglestone, the surrealism of Dora Maar, and of course the mood of David Lynch.”

Sébastien Devaud, aka Agoria, is a French electronic record producer, composer, DJ, and digital artist. He has released four albums and is one of the founders of the record label InFiné. He also helped to create the music festival Nuits Sonores. More recently, Agoria ventured into biological generative art and digital fashion, discovering a new audience of digital art collectors.

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In today’s episode, we discuss:

[2:30] Touring life as a DJ.

[5:00] How was the beginning of Agoria’s career? “Nobody was paying attention during the early days. In the 90’s, electronic music was forbidden, and DJs were referred to as drug dealers.” Agoria seems something similar to the beginning of the Web 3 space.

[10:00] The challenges of creating a music festival —Nuits Sonores— together with the city's major. It was hard and took time to grow to over 100,000 visitors. He finds, again, similarities in the NFT and digital art space.

[14:40] How to balance a touring life with his art, working with Philippe Parreno for exhibitions at Tate Modern and MoMA and deciding to pursue his own art. He mentioned [ {Bohem-IA} collection in collaboration with Scorpios Mykonos and Stéphane Mallarmé.

[19:40] Getting the idea for biological generative art and working with Oscar award winner and sound engineer Nicolas Becker.

[25:00] Studying the seeding of ideas in our brains and testing different kinds of experiences like shamanism and the influence that had on his art. Mentioned: {Comp-nd}.

[33:30] Agoria on community building and finding a new wave of fans and supporters that didn’t know his music.

[38:00] Focussing, doing as many projects as you want, and following the muse.

[42:30] Where are the best parties in the world? Mentioned: Sónar Festival, Aphex Twin, Non Fungible Conference in Lisbon, Glitch Residency.

[48:30] Starting a career as a DJ vs. starting a career as a digital artist in 2023.

[50:40] The meaning behind his recent collaboration with Sandbox — The Agorians, and his top 3 artists: Pierre Huyghe, Joanie LeMercier, and Philippe Parreno.

Until next time,

- Kaloh