Kates Forbes is the second most senior politician in Scotland after Nicola Sturgeon and is the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy. Tim asks her how she copes with being a Christian in the public eye and answering difficult questions and how the SNP holds together militant secularists and committed Christians. Tim also shares his view that the fuel shortage is highlighting, once again, how humans are not as in control as we think.

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Series Producer: Cara Bentley