Thom usefully lays out the story that has emerged as to how Trump worked with a Russia-friendly Ukrainian president on a plan to smear Joe Biden, until that president lost his job, forcing Trump to scramble to force the new, much less corrupt president to still carry out the plan. What could go wrong?

And, a debate with conservative Fox News commentator, Gianno Caldwell about his new book, "Taken for Granted: How Conservatism Can Win Back the Americans That Liberalism Failed" and the impeachment hearings.

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