Andy is joined by his favorite NBA writer, Kelly Dwyer of The Second Arrangement, and the longtime pals wax nostalgic about their early days at On Hoops, Indiana wildlife preserves, Jim Boylen’s spirit, being able to actually root for Bulls’ wins again, why Zach LaVine’s defense is oddly impressive, the time Kris Dunn landed on his face, Denzel Valentine’s vertical, Jimmy Butler and the “Wahl method”, player empowerment and which teams’ inevitably benefit, can Paul George put his arms up, Oklahoma City dog food, Bob Feller (as any good NBA podcast has a story about), why Andy roots against the Celtics, Kyrie and KD, Barry Manilow, and what MJ learned from Jerry Krause.