In this episode, Clint Betts sits down with Natalie Gochnour, a prominent figure in Utah's public policy and economic development scene. Natalie shares her deep-rooted passion for Utah, her extensive career in public service, and her current roles at the University of Utah and the Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute.

00:00 - Introduction
00:15 - Natalie's passion for Utah
01:31 - Current roles at the University of Utah
02:50 - The genesis of the Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute
04:46 - Working with Utah governors
09:12 - The legacy of Governor Mike Leavitt
10:39 - Utah's growth and demographic changes
15:23 - The future of downtown Salt Lake City
20:10 - Political diversity in Utah
22:22 - Utah's notable leaders
29:04 - The Point of the Mountain development
32:08 - Rural Utah and economic centers
34:12 - Political demographics and the future
36:00 - Homeless services and collaboration
37:01 - Economic outlook and challenges
39:59 - Addressing political divisiveness
40:24 - Top challenges for Utah's future
43:59 - Preparing for the 2034 Olympics

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