A project to turn Kenya's refugee camps - some of the largest in the world - into self-reliant communities where refugees can live, work, and set up businesses among their local hosts was recently launched.

Host Obi Anyadike asks Victor Nyamori, a researcher and adviser for Refugee and Migrants' Rights at Amnesty International, what he thinks of this idea, dubbed the Shirika Plan. Given his work on legal protection for Kenya's refugees in Dadaab and Kakuma refugee camps, is he optimistic that it will improve their lives?

What's Unsaid is a bi-weekly podcast by The New Humanitarian where we explore open secrets and uncomfortable conversations around the world's conflicts and disasters.