Doc welcomes writer, journalist, and labor advocate, Kim Kelly, to the show and they talk about her entry point in the music industry starting her own PR company, why she connects to underground black metal and became engaged with the racial politics within the subgenre, her thoughts on cancel culture within the metal scene, being laid off by Vice and the ever-changing media landscape, how she balances her role as an opinion writer, journalist, and activist, developing and expanding her career as a freelance writer, and her work involved with the labor movement and labor column at Teen Vogue.

This episode features the song "Leviathans" by Tribulation

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