Kelsey is a pioneer in cloud computing and has led many advances in the implementation and adoption of cloud based software. He is a significant contributor to open source software, involved in many incredibly popular open source projects, including, but not limited to Kubernetes.

Kelsey not only helped implement Kubernetes, but also helped to promote and spread its adoption and to build the community around it. In this episode Kelsey and Dave discuss a range of topics, centred on cloud computing, but also exploring software engineering and its nature in more detail. Find out if Dave and Kelsey disagree about stateful serverless and asynchrony.

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