Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro (@GovernorShapiro) sits down with Robin and Emma for our first-ever episode — on how he shows up for grieving Pennsylvania families, the arson attack on the Governor's Residence after Passover last year, and what he learned from getting cut from his college basketball team.

Plus the love letter to his now-wife Lori that backfired catastrophically, and a Father's Day tradition that's just "do absolutely nothing."

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Robin and Emma Rosenthal are a mother-daughter duo who lost their husband and father, Mark, to a heart attack 15 years ago. What followed wasn't a quiet retreat into grief, but years of grief groups, family trips, and a deliberate practice of bringing their loved ones up in conversation, often through laughter. This is the show that came out of that.

In the debut episode, they bring in their third family member — son and brother Sam, fresh off his wedding — to tell their full story for the first time. They walk through how they honored Mark at the wedding without making the day heavy, introduce the "pearls and onions" check-in they'll use every episode, and finally tell the full Bridgette story (a live-in caretaker, a Peeping Tom situation, and a failed attempt to light a car on fire with vegetable oil).

The conversation lands on a simple thesis: grief is wider than death, and laughter is a legitimate part of getting through it. Whether you've lost a parent, a job, a friendship, or a version of yourself you used to be, you're in grief group with them now.

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