In this episode of The School Podcast, Adrian Rogers, CEO of Chiltern Learning Trust, shares why great leadership is about people, not just systems.

We explore how education has changed over the years, why building the right team matters more than ever, and how leaders can stay genuinely connected to what’s happening in their schools — not just what reports and data say.

Adrian also reflects on the danger of leadership echo chambers, the importance of listening to different voices, and how trust leaders can keep perspective, challenge assumptions, and make better decisions at scale.

This conversation is essential viewing for school leaders, MAT leaders, and anyone interested in leadership, culture, and the future of education.

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