Is the Supreme Court’s decision on tariffs a declaration of independence?? Only three columnists at the New York Times can say. 

If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.

5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions of each episode are available at fivefourpod.com 

Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social.

Our Sponsors:
* Check out Express VPN: https://expressvpn.com/fivefour
* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/fivefour
* Check out Pocket Hose and use my code FIVEFOUR for a great deal: https://www.getcopperhead.com
* Check out Quince: https://www.quince.com


Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands