Part three gets inside John Schmidt’s head, and it may be the most revealing episode of the series. John talks candidly about self-doubt, aging, criticism, pride, and the internal switch he flips when it is time to chase a giant number. He explains that for him, straight pool is no longer about trying harder or focusing harder. It is about seeing the game so clearly that entire racks begin to unfold almost automatically. Bob Keller confirms that point in unforgettable fashion, saying there are only a few players he has ever seen who can read a rack at that level, and that John is one of them.

The conversation also explores what separates players who flirt with big runs from those who can survive the emotional grind of repeated failure. John talks about missing a ball, not blinking, and getting right back into the next inning. He describes why experience matters more than pure shot-making and why, at 52, he may actually understand the game better than the younger version of himself ever did. It is a fascinating look at how mastery evolves.

There is humor, honesty, and vulnerability throughout, but the central theme is unmistakable: the run started long before 820. It started with the ability to withstand disappointment, block out noise, and keep coming back. If you have ever wondered what elite cue-sport confidence really sounds like, this episode gives you a rare and deeply human answer.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

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What does it really take to run 820 balls? In part two, John Schmidt and Bob Keller pull back the curtain on the conditions, equipment, routines, and tiny details that made this historic straight pool run possible. This is the laboratory episode. John walks us through the Gold Crown table, legal five-inch pockets, Simonis cloth, Predator Arcos balls, modern chalk, donut rings, polished balls, fatigue mats, Hoka shoes, and even the nutritional routine that helped him feel stronger and fresher than he expected. He makes it clear that in a high-run attempt, nothing is random. Every edge matters.

John also explains why the modern game has changed. He contrasts his 626 attempt years earlier with this run, describing how template-style racking, cleaner equipment, and a better understanding of break shots opened up new possibilities. Bob adds valuable insight on ball-per-inning average, the stat he believes reveals John’s true greatness. Their discussion makes a fascinating point: the high run gets the headlines, but consistency may tell the deeper story.

There is also a wonderful amount of humor here, because this is still John Schmidt. He talks about Bitcoin, COVID, protein powder, chalk skids, and why a 200-ball runner is the only kind of man he wants racking for him when something serious is on the line. By the end of this episode, listeners will understand that 820 was not luck, and it was not magic. It was preparation meeting obsession, with every possible variable pushed in the right direction.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

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On this special five-part series of Legends of the Cue, we welcome straight pool great John Schmidt back to the show after his stunning 820-ball run, with Bob Keller joining us as the man behind the camera, the rack, and the support system that helped make it happen. In this opening episode, John explains why this run almost never happened at all. After the emotional weight of his 626, the backlash that followed, and Jayson Shaw’s run past his number, John says there were many days he wished he had never played straight pool in the first place. Then came the table, the setup, the dry Wyoming air, and the feeling that he owed it to himself to find out what was still possible.

John shares the doubts that crept in as he got older, the surprising role Bob played in getting him to believe again, and why this attempt felt so different from his earlier chase. This time there were no announcements, no pressure campaign, and no desire to prove anything to the world. Instead, it became a private test of pride, endurance, and unfinished business. Along the way, Mark Wilson and Allison Fisher help frame just how rare an 800-ball run really is, and why straight pool remains one of the purest measures of cueing excellence.

This episode sets the emotional foundation for the entire series: the frustration, the motivation, the friendship, and the quiet belief that one more great run might still be in there. Before the balls ever started falling, the real battle had already begun.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

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In the final installment of our five-part conversation with snooker great Shaun Murphy, the story turns deeply personal, powerfully honest, and wonderfully reflective. This is the chapter where victories, setbacks, self-doubt, and resilience all come into sharper focus as Shaun looks back on what it meant to validate that unforgettable first world title — and what it has cost, and taught, him to keep chasing greatness ever since.

Shaun speaks candidly about the pressure of avoiding the “one-hit wonder” label, the imposter syndrome that lingered long after his biggest breakthrough, and the relief that came with proving to himself that he belonged among the game’s elite. He shares the story of that dramatic 2008 UK Championship win, the strange mix of calm and chaos that can define the biggest moments, and the hard-earned confidence that only comes from surviving them.

But this episode goes far beyond trophies and titles. In one of the most revealing conversations of the entire series, Shaun opens up about the private struggles that fans rarely see — divorce, distance from his children, grief, emotional strain, therapy, and the challenge of performing at the highest level while life off the table is anything but settled. His reflections on mental health, masculinity, vulnerability, and the loneliness of individual sport are honest, compassionate, and deeply human.

There is perspective here, too. Shaun talks about finding help, learning to separate self-worth from results, and recognizing that the human being behind the cue matters more than any scoreboard ever will. He also looks ahead with the same belief that has always driven him, knowing that his story is still being written.

Part 5 is a fitting finale — insightful, moving, courageous, and the perfect closing chapter to the life story of one of snooker’s most gifted and compelling champions.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

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In Part 4 of our five-part conversation with snooker great Shaun Murphy, the story reaches one of its most dramatic and defining chapters: the 2005 World Championship. Shaun takes us inside the moment his career—and his life—changed forever, from the brink of walking away from the game to lifting the sport’s biggest trophy just weeks later. It is an extraordinary account of doubt, resilience, timing, and belief, made even more powerful by the role his mother played in convincing him to take one last chance.

Shaun vividly relives that unforgettable run at the Crucible, from qualifying and beating some of the sport’s biggest names to the tension, fear, and adrenaline of walking into snooker’s most iconic arena. His description of the Crucible Theatre is as personal as it is powerful: not just a venue, but a place of pilgrimage, pressure, memory, and meaning. For snooker fans, this episode offers a rare inside look at what that stage feels like when everything is on the line.

But this chapter is about more than trophies and turning points. Shaun also reflects on how the game has changed, the demands of a modern professional schedule, and the importance of having the right support around you. He speaks warmly and honestly about his fiancée Jo, the sacrifices she has made, the life they now share on the road, and the way relationships, content, sponsorship, and team dynamics have become part of a top player’s world.

There is humor here too, including a brilliant story about a mistimed fan interaction that derailed his planned proposal. Part 4 is funny, revealing, deeply human, and filled with the emotion of a life transformed—on the table, behind the scenes, and far beyond the spotlight.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

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In Part 3 of our five-part conversation with snooker great Shaun Murphy, the story moves into the years when talent had to become a profession and ambition had to survive reality. Shaun reflects on the early certainty that snooker was never simply a dream, but the only plan. There was no fallback, no second option, and no diluted ambition. From the time he made his first century as a boy, he believed this would be his life.

This episode explores the difficult transition from gifted junior to hardened professional, and Shaun speaks with refreshing honesty about how unprepared he was for the tactical demands of the top level. He could score, attack, and thrill, but he had not yet learned the darker arts of match play — the safety, strategy, and patience that separate a dangerous talent from a true champion. His account of those early professional lessons is insightful, self-aware, and full of perspective for fans of both snooker and pool.

Along the way, Shaun shares terrific stories about seeking advice from the best players he could find, including a young Allison Fisher, and about the unforgettable education he received simply by being around great players and great events. He also offers a fascinating look at what it means to win snooker’s Triple Crown, why those BBC majors still carry such weight, and why joining that exclusive club remains one of the proudest achievements of his career.

The episode also dives into the magic of century breaks and 147s, the relationship between player and crowd, and the charitable purpose Shaun has attached to his scoring feats. Part 3 is a wonderful blend of humor, candor, and high-level insight — a chapter about growing up in the game, learning how to win, and still believing that the best may be yet to come.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

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In Part 2 of our five-part conversation with snooker great Shaun Murphy, the story moves from raw ability to the disciplined framework that helped shape one of the game’s true champions. This episode offers a revealing look at the system behind Shaun’s early development, as he reflects on the rigorous, highly structured approach created by his father — a man with no background in cue sports, but a remarkable instinct for preparation, accountability, and performance. Monthly goals, honest self-assessment, and a relentless focus on improvement became the foundation for Shaun’s rise.

But this chapter is about far more than training routines. Shaun speaks openly about what that life demanded of him as a young boy: the childhood experiences he missed, the social life he largely gave up, and the pressure that came with chasing excellence so young. He also shares a painful and deeply personal account of the bullying that drove him away from school, and how snooker became both his escape and his future.

There is humor and color throughout as well. Shaun tells the wonderful story of his Doc Martens sponsorship as a teenager, including the surreal experience of finding himself alongside Madonna at a London store opening. He also remembers the unforgettable characters from the snooker clubs of his youth — the hustlers, mentors, and larger-than-life personalities who helped teach him how the world worked both inside and outside the game.

Along the way, this episode explores Shaun’s early amateur success, the values his father tried to instill, his admiration for the gifted but tragic Lee Spick, and the surprising role golf played in his young sporting life. Part 2 is funny, moving, revealing, and filled with the lessons, sacrifices, and formative experiences that helped create “The Magician.”

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

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In this first installment of our five-part conversation with Shaun Murphy, the snooker great takes us back to the beginning and opens up about the difficult early years that shaped both the man and the champion. Long before becoming a World Champion and one of snooker’s elite Triple Crown winners, Shaun was a young boy whose family life changed dramatically after financial collapse turned comfort into uncertainty almost overnight. What followed was hardship, hustle, and a growing realization that snooker might become far more than a pastime.

Shaun recalls the family’s struggle after his father left a successful career, the loss of their home and security, and the way small junior winnings from snooker events began helping the family survive. He shares the charming story of asking Santa for a Commodore 64 and finding instead a little Steve Davis snooker table that would alter the course of his life. From there came the obsession: long hours at the club, a century break as a 10-year-old, and a fierce desire not for prize money, but for medals, trophies, and mastery.

This episode also explores the key influences in Shaun’s early development, including his father’s determined guidance and the profound impact of Mark Wildman, whose knowledge of billiards, snooker, and three-cushion gave Shaun a deeper education in cue sports than most young players could ever imagine. Along the way, Shaun reflects on leaving school at 13, turning professional at 15, and learning that raw attacking talent alone would not be enough in a grown man’s game.

Part 1 is the origin story of “The Magician” — a story of adversity, discipline, curiosity, and the first sparks of greatness.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

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In the final chapter of our seven-part conversation with WPBA Hall of Famer Mary Kenniston, the story comes full circle. Mary reflects on the closing years of her competitive career, the health battle that changed everything, and the determination that carried her back to the table playing better, in some ways, than ever before.

With candor, wit, and hard-earned perspective, Mary shares how she rebuilt her game after serious illness, teaching herself how to swing her arm again, refining her fundamentals, and discovering new ways to aim that she wishes she’d known from the beginning. She looks back on the stamina demands of tournament pool, the painful decision to retire, and the one shot from the 1989 U.S. Open she would take back if given a single career mulligan.

But this episode is about more than competition. It’s about legacy.

Mary tells the remarkable story of how a few forgotten boxes of photographs became an extraordinary accidental archive of pool history. What began as a personal trip down memory lane turned into a passion project that has preserved thousands upon thousands of images of players, tournaments, and moments that might otherwise have been lost. In doing so, Mary has become the game’s unofficial historian, reconnecting generations of fans and players with the sport’s rich past.

She also opens up about life after touring professionally, from dealing poker and caring for family to writing, commentary, and chronicling the people and personalities who built the game she loves.

Asked how she hopes to be remembered, Mary’s answer says it all: as both a survivor and a steward of pool’s history.

This moving and memorable finale is a fitting close to the life story of a woman whose impact on the game extends far beyond the titles she won.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

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In Episode 6 of our seven-part conversation with WPBA Hall of Famer Mary Kenniston, the story moves from championship pool to one of the most beloved rooms in the game’s history—and then to a life-altering challenge that few champions ever face.

Mary reflects on the late 1980s, when she stepped away from the tour at the height of her powers to open Cue-Topia in Las Vegas. What began simply as a place for players to gather soon became something legendary. Inspired by a Philadelphia poolroom whose walls were covered with snapshots of the game’s greats, Mary began building her own Wall of Fame—hundreds of photographs celebrating the personalities and champions who passed through her doors. Soon, players from around the world were making Cue-Topia a must-visit stop, spending hours studying the photos and reliving the stories behind them.

Along the way, Mary shares remarkable memories of the game’s icons—late-night conversations with Willie Mosconi, reflections on Ralph Greenleaf’s brilliance, and encounters with road players and champions who defined an era when reputation—and action—mattered more than publicity.

Even while running the room, Mary proved she still had the champion’s touch, returning to tournament play and capturing major titles including the 1989 Brunswick World Open Nine-Ball Championship.

But this episode also reveals one of the most dramatic chapters of her life. After a medical crisis that led to emergency brain surgery and partial paralysis, Mary faced a devastating prognosis. Doctors warned she might never walk again. What followed was a test of willpower, resilience, and the same competitive fire that made her one of the game’s elite.

From building a gathering place for pool’s legends to battling back from a life-threatening setback, this chapter of Mary Kenniston’s story is unforgettable—raw, inspiring, and deeply human.

It’s another remarkable installment in the life story of one of pool’s most respected champions.

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"Legends of the Cue" is a cue sports history podcast featuring interviews with Hall of Fame members, world champions, and influential figures from across the world of cue sports—including pocket billiards, snooker, and carom disciplines such as three-cushion billiards. We highlight the people, places, and moments that have shaped the game—celebrating iconic players, memorable events, historic venues, and the brands that helped define generations of play. With a focus on the positive spirit of the sport, our goal is to create a rich, engaging, and timeless archive of stories that fans can enjoy now and for years to come.

Co-hosted by WPA and BCA Hall of Fame member Allison Fisher and Mosconi Cup player and captain Mark Wilson, Legends of the Cue brings these stories to life—told in the voices of the game’s greatest figures.

 Join Allison, Mark and Mike Gonzalez for “Legends of the Cue.”