Like many Americans, the 2008 financial crisis left Anat Admati furious. A professor at Stanford, she became one of the country’s leading voices calling attention to how confusion, complexity and misleading claims allowed major banks to load up on dangerous amounts of debt. Today, she argues that little has changed. In this conversation, we discuss the faulty arguments bankers use to fight oversight, how corporate power has expanded in the years since the crisis, and what can be done to create a fairer and more stable economy.

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