Let’s Talk Logistics

Ben Jackson, built Bungii to deliver big and bulky freight—then COVID wiped out 95% of their revenue overnight. Instead of folding, they cut ad spend, rebuilt the model, and turned it into a B2B delivery machine with 15,000+ drivers and zero churn. This episode covers Final Mile execution, why agent networks are broken, and how to actually scale in this market. No fluff—just one of the best pivots in freight.

Key Chapters:

(0:00) Background and Introduction

(1:21) Ben's Background and Early Life

(3:53) The Birth of Bungii

(5:24) Scaling Bungii Nationwide

(10:37) Challenges and Pivots During COVID-19

(16:04) Reinventing Bungii for B2B Success

(22:23) The Unique Approach to Final Mile Delivery

(29:51) Future of Final Mile and Bungii’s Vision

(34:33) The Network Effect in Truckload Brokerage

(38:07) Driver Recruitment and Retention

(40:42) The Importance of Customer Feedback

(43:13) Personal Background and American Experience

(48:20) Balancing Family and Career

(53:38) Final Thoughts and Business Advice

Charlie Saffro, never set out to build a top logistics recruiting firm, but CS Recruiting became just that. This episode dives into their rise, why most companies struggle to hire top talent, and how M&A, AI, and inbound strategies are transforming freight. Must-listen for anyone in logistics looking to hire smarter. 

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Key Chapters:

(0:00) Background and Introduction

(0:36) Accidental Start of CS Recruiting

(2:27) Challenges and Growth

(4:50) Rocket Shipping Origin Story

(8:54) Agent Model vs. W2 Employees

(13:22) Recruiting Philosophy and Strategy

(21:11) Future Plans and Industry Insights

(30:39) Freight Brokerage Models and Challenges

(31:28) Branding in Freight Brokerage

(34:13) Current Market Trends and M&A Activity

(41:35) Top Logistics Companies

(43:34) Freight Fraud and Industry Challenges

(49:23) Business Operations and Future Outlook

#LetsTalkLogistics #FreightTech

Kara Brown, built the biggest GTM firm in freight—and she did it by staying laser-focused on what actually drives revenue. This episode covers why most brokers get ICP wrong, how to catch the 5% of buyers ready to move, and where inbound signals are hiding in plain sight. If you’re trying to grow in this market, start here.

Key Chapters:

(0:00) Background and Introduction

(0:43) Expanding Lead Coverage: Global Presence and Services

(2:00) The Revenue Engine: Writing and Promoting the Book

(7:03) Ideal Customer Profile and Go-to-Market Strategy

(13:40) The Importance of Intent Data in Sales

(29:05) Kara's Journey: From Echo to Lead Coverage

(34:34) Effective Strategies in Freight: Thought Leadership and Partnerships

(37:12) Quarterly Updates and Executive Thought Leadership

(39:51) The Sleepy Beauty Campaign

(41:06) Challenges in Sales Follow-Up

(50:40) The Importance of Niche Expertise

(57:38) Managing a Remote Team

(1:00:37) AI Strategy and Business Optimization

#LetsTalkLogistics #FreightTech #FreightMarketing #GoToMarket #LTLGrowth

Clay Curran, co-founder of FreshX, joined the pod to talk about solving one of LTL’s hardest problems: reefer. From last mile pilots to a full-on freight brokerage pivot, he breaks down how they landed on a software solution that actually works—giving brokers instant access to reefer capacity across 80+ carriers. No transaction fees. No messy workarounds. Just real rates and real coverage.

Key Chapters:

(0:00) Introduction and Background

(2:32) Founding FreshX: From Last Mile Delivery to Freight Brokerage

(4:00) Challenges in LTL Reefer and the Pivot to Software

(7:11) Building and Scaling FreshX

(15:24) Technical Insights and Product Development

(22:49) Understanding the Role of a Product Manager

(24:40) Future Vision for FreshX

(26:46) Real-Life Challenges in Cold Chain Logistics

(34:55) Dynamic Pricing and Carrier Relationships

(39:16) Tech Stack and Business Operations

(41:29) Lessons Learned and Final Thoughts

Garrett Allen, built LoadPartner, the first open-source TMS for freight brokers. We talk about why most platforms slow brokers down, how AI makes it easier to build what you need, and why owning your tech stack changes everything.

Key Chapters:

(0:00) Introduction and Background

(1:05) The Concept of Open Source TMS

(4:01) AI's Role in Freight Brokerage

(11:37) Pricing Models and Industry Challenges

(22:47) Search Carriers: A Deep Dive

(28:24) Garrett's Motivation and Vision

(29:36) New TMS in the Market

(33:29) Building a TMS in Real Time

(34:00) VC and Freight Tech

(35:14) Open Source TMS Business Model

(39:23) AI and Future Tech

(46:58) Launching the TMS

#LetsTalkLogistics #FreightTech #OpenSourceTMS #BrokerTech

Ken Adamo has been in data long enough to know what’s broken—and who’s just making noise. We got into freight platforms, media takes, and why he’s still the one people call when things go off the rails. No hype. Just the stuff that actually matters.

Key Chapters:

(0:00) Introduction and Background

(1:25) Journey into Data Analytics

(2:42) Overview of DAT Solutions

(3:48) Understanding Freight Rates and Market Trends

(15:04) Cross-Border Freight Challenges

(23:43) Acquisitions and Corporate Development

(32:01) Navigating Contract Market Complexities

(34:08) The Trucker Tools Acquisition

(36:10) Ken's Career Journey

(37:20) Social Media and Industry Insights

(44:05) Market Predictions and Challenges

(51:54) Customer-Centric Culture at DAT

(1:01:42) Final Thoughts and Contact Information

#LetsTalkLogistics #FreightTech #DATFreight #TruckerTools #FreightMedia

Steve Cox, has seen every side of freight—CH Robinson, Access America, Coyote, and now Steam. We get into what it takes to build a $600M logistics company, how to survive the downcycle, and why the real risk is waiting too long. Worth the listen.

Key Chapters:

(0:00) Introduction and Background

(1:45) Chattanooga: The Freight Capital

(2:36) Steam Logistics' Growth and Challenges

(12:20) Adapting to Market Changes

(15:57) Personal Insights and Hobbies

(18:23) AI and Future Innovations in Logistics

(23:15) Building a Successful Brokerage

(27:40) Funding and Financial Strategies

(30:53) Hiring and Training Challenges

(33:23) Lessons from Rapid Expansion

(35:39) Implementing an ERP System

(38:16) Current Market Challenges

(51:15) Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs

(54:51) Final Thoughts and Contact Information

#LetsTalkLogistics #FreightTech #FreightLifers #LogisticsLeadership #BootstrappedGrowth 

Chris Brewer built River City Logistics from the ground up—no VC, no shortcuts, just grit. We get into what it takes to scale a brokerage with assets and warehousing, why he still trains every new hire, and the moment he knew he had to fire a top performer. Freight built for the long haul. Worth the listen.

Key Chapters:

(0:00) Introduction and Background

(3:04) Family Life and Balancing Work

(5:15) Starting and Scaling River City Logistics

(10:55) Bootstrapping the Business

(16:33) Building a Strong Company Culture

(20:34) Current Market Trends and Predictions

(26:33) Fleet and Brokerage Synergy

(28:08) Big Predictions in the Trucking Industry

(33:40) Firing Employees: Philosophy and Practices

(36:15) Missed Opportunities and Lessons Learned

(50:31) Conclusion and Contact Information

#LetsTalkLogistics #FreightTech #FreightBrokerage #BootstrappedBusiness 

Sam Tibbs, built Trochi.AI to change how rate products work for brokers—giving them real control over their data and a piece of the upside. This episode breaks down why the old model fell apart, how better data shifts the market, and why broker ownership could change everything. A sharp look at where freight tech is heading. Worth the listen.

Key Chapters:

(0:00) Introduction and Background

(2:01) Mini Conference Announcement

(3:25) The Origin of Tro Kai

(4:09) Challenges in the Truckload Brokerage Industry

(9:36) Sam’s Background and Career Journey

(16:43) Starting a Business: First Steps and Challenges

(22:08) Building Trust and Collaboration with Brokers

(32:44) The Value of Large Customers

(33:57) Integration with Factoring Companies

(34:32) Challenges with Data Extraction

(35:37) The Importance of Broker Data

(37:39) Revenue and Market Share

(39:28) Building a Sustainable Business

(42:03) Future of Load Boards and AI

(57:01) Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs

#LetsTalkLogistics #FreightNews #FreightTech #LogisticsData #RateVisibility #TruckloadMarket #BrokerTech

A new executive order could take truckers off the road if they can't speak English — and it’s already sparking a fight. We break down what’s actually changing, why it matters for road safety, jobs, and immigration, and where the real friction points are. Forget the headlines — here’s what’s really going on behind the scenes.

Key Chapters:  

(0:00) Introduction and Overview

(0:48) Understanding the Executive Order

(3:16) Safety Concerns and Real-World Implications

(5:43) Industry Reactions and Economic Impact

(7:02) Analyzing Accident Data

(9:44) Balancing Safety and Fairness

(13:55) The Complex Debate on English Proficiency