Seth Grossman Interview with Harry Hurley on September 2, 2026. WPGTalkRadio 95.5FM and 1450AM.
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Above Image: Monument to Richard Somers near Shore Road and New Jersey Avenue in Somers Point, New Jersey. An identical monument stands in Somers, New York, a town named after Richard Somers.
HARRY HURLEY: We visit with Seth Grossman this morning. Seth, I believe that you have done more to keep the Richard Somers flame alive than anyone I can think of.
SETH GROSSMAN: Thank you very much. And all this stuff, of course, is posted at libertyandprosperity.com. And if you want to get our emails about this and the other topics, just contact us - at
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As you pointed out, the story - of Richard Somers is remarkable. I first heard it in 2004, 200 years after Richard Somers and the entire crew of his ship Intrepid were killed in Tripoli on September 4, 1804.
Hearing that story three years after the attacks on September 11 2001, had a profound impact on me. I realized then that if Americans had remembered the story of Richard Somers, and the 12 other Americans on his ship who died in 1804, and who they fought and why they had to fight them, 3,000 Americans would not have been murdered on September 11, 2001, and we would not need ceremonies to remember them.
I learned a lot at that ceremony to remember Richard Somers in 2004. I assumed it would be a yearly event. But to my surprise, nothing was planned for September of 2005.
And so I got together with Sally Hastings, the president of the Somers Point Historical Society. We then put together programs to remember Richard Somers every September 4 for many years.
Then, I realized that Richard Somers was not just a forgotten local hero who should be remembered. I realized then that a whole lot more was going on.
Richard Somers was probably the most significant national American hero who came from this area. He should be remembered. And for a long time I could not understand why our community had forgotten him.
Then I realized that you cannot remember Richard Somers without telling his story. And that story can no longer be told in America.
HARRY HURLEY: There you go. It was purposeful.
SETH GROSSMAN: Yes it was purposeful. Richard Somers was one of the first great Americans to be cancelled.
HARRY HURLEY: Wow.
SETH GROSSMAN: And When I realized that, I was determined to do whatever I could to make sure that Richard Somers was remembered, and that his story would be told.
The Richard Somers story reminds us that America was at war with Islam more than 200 years ago. Actually, America was not at war with Islam. Islam was at war with us.
And when we told the story of Richard Somers, and how Islam justified attacks on peaceful Americans and how we had to fight a war to stop them, cities like Somers Point and schools, and colleges and business association knew that it was bad for business if they were in any way involved in telling the story of Richard Somers.
HARRY HURLEY: Pay the tribute, keep quiet, and we'll leave you alone.
SETH GROSSMAN: Yes. We learned nothing. And I'd like to take this a step further. The Richard Somers story leads us to understand the people who murdered 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001 and why they did it.
The details of that story and what happened afterwards explain what led to the murder of 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001.
So let's tell that story. First, I'd like to thank Bob and Cindy Fertsch for publishing that story in last week's (August 27, 2026) edition of Shore Local Magazine. It's distributed free throughout the shore towns of South Jersey. Last week's edition had the picture of the blue and yellow beach umbrella on the front cover. The Richard Somers story is on Page 8.
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Use this week's Shore Local to share the story of Richard Somers. - Liberty and Prosperity
The story begins on the night of September 4, 1804. A small merchant ship sails alone into the harbor of Tripoli in North Africa. It carries no cargo. It is instead loaded with bombs and explosives. Its captain is 26-year-old Richard Somers from Somers Point, New Jersey. He and all 12 members of his crew know they have very little chance of coming back alive. Yet they all volunteered for this mission.
For three years, they had been at war with fanatic sea fighters who were called Barbary pirates. However, these Barbary sea-fighters were not pirates at all. Pirates were criminals. These Barbary sea-fighters were legally at war with America. They were what we call privateers in English - or corsairs in French. - They were protected by letters of marque and reprisal. They were legally allowed to attack and rob ships and coastal towns of any enemy nation--as long as they share the booty with - the ruler or government that hired them. Pirates were tried and executed as criminals when they were captured. Privateers, or corsairs in French, were supposed to be held as prisoners of war, and released at the end of the war.
When privateers came back to their home port with their booty, the government would be put everything that was taken up for sale at a public auction. The government would get its share. The owners of the ship, the captain, and the crew would get the rest.
For privateers from the Barbary cities of North Africa, the cities of Tangier, Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli, the most valuable booty to be auctioned off were people. The passengers and crew of the captured ships, the people who lived in coastal villages were auctioned off and sold as slaves.
The whole economy of North Africa at that time was based on slavery. The city of Algiers in what is now Algeria had a population of a 100,000 - people, and 25,000 of them were slaves.
This started long before The United States existed. It began more than 1200 years ago, during the 800s. That was when Arabs conquered the Roman cities of Tangier, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli in North Africa. Those cities became known as the Barbary Kingdoms. They would attack and rob as many coastal towns and villages in Christian Europe they could--and every ship or fishing boat from there that they could catch.
After a few hundred years, French and Italian Crusaders stopped them for a while. But then, during the 1500s, the Ottoman Turks came in. They made the so-called Barbary Pirates a lot stronger. The raids and attacks got worse. They attacked ships and coastal towns as far away as Iceland and Ireland. During this time, They captured more than a million Europeans and sold them as slaves in North Africa.
Above Image: Pope Pius V
Then, in 1560, Pope Pius V formed a "Holy League" of European Christian nations to fight back.
Now, as I'm telling you this story of Richards Somers, and explaining these events that came before, I need to ask you. Do you remember learning any of this in high school? Or in college?
HARRY HURLEY: This was not in our curriculum. It ignored that history. As far as I know, you know, you - had the Greeks, you had the Romans. Yeah. - Bill Gussie taught about the Barbary pirates. but not those details.
SETH GROSSMAN: It was the same with me. We learned about the Greeks and the Roman Empire. We were taught that German barbarians from Europe invaded from the North and destroyed the Roman Empire. Then we had Middle Ages and the Crusades.
But they never told us how half of the Romand Empire became Muslim. They never explained how all of the Middle East, Egypt and North Africa changed from being lands of Greek and Latin-speaking Christians to Arabic speaking Muslims. We didn't learn any of that stuff.
But - anyway, Europe fought back. And for two hundred - years, the Christians of Europe and the Turks and Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa reached a standoff. They all got tired of fighting endless wars against each other.
In Europe, Catholics and Protestants were starting to fight each other. There were wars between England and Spain. The Barbary Kingdoms were losing money in their wars against Europeans.
So they all worked out a deal. The Barbary Kingdoms told European Christians, we will stop raiding your villages - and your ships. We will stop enslaving Europeans. Just pay us money and we'll leave you alone.
By the way, at this time, the Barbary Kingdoms were already finding that it was much easier and cheaper to cross the Sahara Desert and capture and buy Black Africans as slaves than to fight wars with Europeans.
So for the next two hundred years, during the 1600s and 1700s, Spain, Portugal, England, and France, all paid money to the Barbary Kingdoms. And they were all left alone.
And because we Americans were part of the British Empire, Americans could sail anywhere in the world without being attacked because we were protected by the British bribes, which they called tribute.
And then on July 4, 1776, we Americans declare our independence. After seven years of war, in 1783, the world recognizes the United States as an independent nation. Our ships continue to sail all over the world. However, now our ships fly a new flag. They fly the stars and stripes instead of the British flag, the Union Jack. - And instantly, we find out that the Barbary Kingdoms read the newspaper. They immediately started, attacking our ships, robbing our people, and selling them into slavery. Brian Kilmeade described this in detail in his book Thomas Jefferson and the Tripoli Pirates.
And so when we asked the Europeans, "Well, - what should we do? We've got to get together and fight back!" But we were instead told "Do what we're doing. - Just pay them, and they'll leave you alone."
We Americans did that for about ten years. About 10% of the federal budget of the United States was spent on tribute and bribes to these Barbary Kingdoms.
However, we had a problem. Because America was such a peaceful nation, we had no navy, and the Barbary Kingdoms knew it. So,...