In this episode of LIGHT TALK, the Lumen Brothers interview designer, programmer, educator, and long time friend, Bobby Harrell.

Join Steve, David, Brackley, and Bobby as they pontificate about: Cafeteria Food in Las Vegas; Jackie Mason Madness; Fun with Hemp Houses; The Niagara Falls project; Keys to being a Good Programmer; Capital "P" vs. Little "p" programmers; "Give Me a Minute!"; Understanding the psychology and emotions of what goes on at the production table; How stage managers can affect the way you program a show; The career path to being a professional programmer; Learning multiple consoles; Teaching how the console thinks; Bringing a new console to the market; The "Holy Grail Console"; The future of drones in the industry; and How young designers should be trained at universities.

Nothing is Taboo, Nothing is Sacred, and Very Little Makes Sense.