Lights Out: Technology and Automation Podcast by MakingChips

In this episode of Lights Out, we're joined by a true innovator in the manufacturing space, Al Whatmough, CEO of Toolpath. Al brings a wealth of experience from his time at Autodesk and his leadership at Toolpath, where he's driving the next wave of automation in CNC machining. Together, we dive into the revolutionary role that AI is playing in reshaping manufacturing operations, offering fresh perspectives on how automation can enhance productivity and streamline processes on the shop floor.

Throughout the conversation, Al unpacks the exciting developments at Toolpath, including their acquisition of Chatter, a key technology that helps shops automate their operations more effectively. He shares his vision for the future of manufacturing, where AI doesn't just automate processes but actively assists in decision-making, freeing up cognitive load for operators and improving workflow efficiency.

We also explore the challenges traditional shops face when integrating new technology and how bridging generational gaps in the workforce is crucial for embracing the full potential of automation.

This episode is a must-listen for manufacturing leaders looking to understand how AI and automation can create smarter, more agile operations. Al's insights into the real-world applications of AI, along with his thoughtful reflections on industry trends, will inspire you to think differently about the tools you use and the systems you have in place.

You'll want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

• (0:00) Chatting about our time at the MFG Meeting 2025
• (3:06) Introducing Al Whatmough, CEO of Toolpath
• (3:40) Bridging the generational divide in manufacturing
• (6:20) Al's journey from Autodesk to Toolpath and what they aim to achieve
• (8:37) Building trust in AI and overcoming skepticism from more traditional shops
• (11:11) The acquisition of Chatter and how it enhances Toolpath's capabilities
• (12:39) Why automation should focus on the mundane tasks to free up cognitive load
• (13:38) The dangers of chasing complex problems rather than solving simple ones
• (15:52) The importance of understanding customer needs and creating tailored solutions
• (18:13) The intersection of AI and existing technologies in modern manufacturing
• (21:24) Rethinking workflows with AI and improving the connection between tools
• (26:57) Know what you're good at and learn to do it well
• (33:22) Reflections on the future of AI and automation in manufacturing

Connect with Al Whatmough

• Toolpath
• Connect on LinkedIn

Connect With Lights Out

• LinkedIn
• MakingChips.com

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Are robots really taking over human jobs, or is it the other way around? In this eye-opening episode of Lights Out, hosts Nick and Kaleb sit down with automation expert Max Falcone to challenge one of the biggest misconceptions in manufacturing: that automation replaces workers.

Instead, they argue that too many people are still stuck performing tedious, repetitive tasks that should already be automated—tasks that drain productivity, increase injuries, and contribute to worker burnout.

With over 23 years of experience in automation, robotics, and material finishing, Max brings a fresh perspective on how manufacturers can rethink their processes. As Vice President of Sales Engineering at PushCorp, he has helped countless shops integrate automation in ways that make businesses more efficient while creating better jobs for skilled workers.

In this episode, you'll hear why the right technology can help manufacturers maximize their workforce, eliminate bottlenecks, and improve safety—without sacrificing jobs. Plus, we dig into how manufacturers should be approaching automation today, from understanding the difference between passive and active compliance in robotics to identifying the right tasks to automate.

If you're a shop owner, machinist, or anyone in the manufacturing industry looking for ways to optimize operations and stay ahead of the curve, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

• (02:00) Flipping the script: Are humans taking robot jobs?
• (3:00) Max's journey into automation and robotics
• (12:00) The power of PushCorp (and why it matters)
• (16:33) Passive vs. active compliance in robotic automation
• (21:40) How automation can improve safety and efficiency in manufacturing
• (23:41) Why machine shops should rethink deburring and finishing processes
• (27:37) The importance of hands-on experience in engineering and manufacturing
• (31:56) Why the industry needs more problem solvers and skilled workers

Connect with Max Falcone

• PushCorp
• Connect on LinkedIn

Connect With Lights Out

• LinkedIn
• MakingChips.com

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What separates the best shops from the crowd? It's not just the technology they use—it's the way they think. The top manufacturing leaders aren't content with operators who say, 'I run a mill,' or 'She programs machines.'

Instead, they cultivate a culture where everyone is focused on one goal: increasing throughput. By aligning your people, resources, and technology to make your business successful, you build a team where nobody is a cog in the wheel—everyone is part of a powerful engine.

For years, many in the industry have seen robotics and automation as unnecessary expenses, asking, 'Why invest in a $200,000 robot loading cell when I could just add another spindle?' But what if that mindset is holding your shop back from unlocking its true potential?

By automating tasks like workpiece delivery and machine loading, you free your team to focus on high-value work, maximizing throughput and creating a culture of innovation and growth.

We'll also explore what the machine tool dealer of the future looks like, share real-world stories of shops that made the leap into automation, and address common concerns—like how much programming experience your team really needs.

Whether you're looking to inspire your team, adopt cutting-edge technology, or simply break free from outdated mindsets, this episode is packed with actionable advice and fresh perspectives. Tune in now to learn why throughput is more than just a metric—it's a mindset that can transform your business.

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

• (1:54) Get to know Lights Out Co-host Kaleb Mertz
• (4:16) Max Rothenhausler's origin story
• (10:43) The project that Max and Kaleb are spearheading
• (14:52)The importance of automation to career longevity?
• (17:04) Why is it easier to work with the end-user instead of the dealer?
• (20:22) Overcoming the old-school mentality and adopting automation
• (25:56) How much robotic programming experience do you need?
• (28:38) What would the machine shop of the future look like?
• (31:47) How to structure the machine shop of the future
• (33:41) The industry is lacking machinists
• (37:30) Take on a new product line—or find partners?
• (44:58) Your customer will always be your best salesman

Resources & People Mentioned

• Business Moves at the Speed of Trust

Connect with Max Rothenhausler

• Connect on LinkedIn
• 21st Century Machine Tools

Connect With Lights Out

• LinkedIn
• MakingChips.com

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In this episode of Lights Out, Wade Anderson, VP of Engineering and Automation at Okuma delivers a compelling look at how automation is transforming the manufacturing landscape.

Along with Steve DeGrasse, the East Coast Regional Sales Director at Hennig, we uncover why tomorrow's machine tools will require rethinking—like side-door access for robots and integrated pallet delivery systems—and how additive manufacturing and AI will reshape priorities even for small shops aiming to go lights-out.

With a trust-first approach, Wade explains how maximizing a customer's current capabilities builds the foundation for introducing transformative automation solutions.

This conversation isn't just about technology—it's about people. We explore how sales strategies, compensation plans, and service roles must evolve to meet the demands of an automation-driven world. Fostering collaboration between sales professionals and engineers is critical for success and how the next generation of talent, raised with robotics, will lead the way.

Packed with real-world insights and forward-thinking strategies, this episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the future of manufacturing. Don't miss their candid take on what it takes to build trust and drive innovation in a rapidly changing industry.

– Nick

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

• Introducing Wade Anderson from Okuma [2:40]
• Steve's hilarious IMTS Oyster story [8:11]
• How do we make machine tools automation friendly? [12:00]
• Should we adjust compensation plans for salespeople? [25:00]
• How does service need to evolve with automation? [30:50]

Resources & People Mentioned

• Shop Matters Podcast on YouTube
• At The Boring Bar #1
• Connect with Steve DeGrasse

Connect with Wade Anderson

• Connect on LinkedIn
• Okuma America

Connect With LightsOut

• LinkedIn
• MakingChips.com

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In this episode of Lights Out, we explore how cutting-edge coolant technology is transforming manufacturing by enabling efficiency, stability, and sustainability. Tiffany Bryson and Christopher Porsch of Blaser emphasize the need for a repeatable, reliable process, noting that automation hinges on stable coolant systems.

Scott Cooley, with Hennig, explains how tailored solutions address each customer's specific materials and machining needs, with advanced filtration systems supporting lights-out operations by maintaining a clean, stable environment.

Blaser's approach to coolant as a "liquid tool" highlights its importance beyond mere maintenance—coolant is an essential investment in long-term productivity and profitability. Camoren Schley adds that high-pressure systems enhance heat dissipation and extend tool life, further stabilizing production.

This episode dives into how the right coolant technology can solve key challenges, helping manufacturers optimize processes, reduce downtime, and prepare for continuous, efficient production. Don't miss it!

You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...

• [1:09] Introducing today's special guests
• [3:16] Everyone's Day #1 IMTS experience
• [4:11] Manufacturing leader spotlight
• [9:10] Does technology change how you serve customers?
• [11:54] Understanding the chemistry of coolant
• [15:52] How high pressure can solve chip accumulation challenges
• [18:32] What does the term "liquid tool" mean to Blaser?
• [21:12] The importance of material compatibility
• [24:24] Reducing the amount of "sludge" created
• [28:16] How coolant helps with heat dissipation
• [31:42] What's on the horizon for Blaser, Hennig, and Slytek?
• [37:09] Why foam control is incredibly important

Resources & People Mentioned

• Blaser Swisslube
• Hennig
• Connect with Tiffany Bryson
• Connect with Christopher Porsch
• Connect with Scott Cooley
• Connect with Camoren Schley

Connect With LightsOut

• LinkedIn
• MakingChips.com

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What do you need to know before you launch automation in your shop? What would be signs that you're not ready to automate? If you're launching the process, how can you use your ERP/MRP to the fullest?

Even the smallest mistakes—like not having a process in place to deal with the chips your machines are creating while running lights out—can be costly. We want to help you avoid those costly errors.

That's why Paul Van Metre and Mike Payne join me to tackle the important things you need to consider before you run lights out. Because if you're not MakingChips, you're not making money. BAM!

Segments

• [0:35] Why you need ProShop ERP
• [5:08] What's new with the crew
• [6:43] Manufacturing Leadership Spotlight
• [13:52] Do you have a repeatable process?
• [19:03] NetSuite by Oracle
• [20:31] Do you have a chip management process?
• [23:48] Cutting tool management features
• [26:24] Are you making adjustments for accurate costs?
• [34:06] Do you have training in place for your team?
• [37:16] Do you have a preventative maintenance program?

Resources mentioned on this episode

• The Oscar Mike Foundation
• Noah Currier
• The Checklist Manifesto
• NetSuite by Oracle
• Moseys Production Shop Tour

Connect With MakingChips

• www.MakingChips.com
• On Facebook
• On LinkedIn
• On Instagram
• On Twitter
• On YouTube

Here's our controversial take: We believe that "automated" is more important than "operated". It's a stance that scares a lot of operators—but it shouldn't. In this episode of MakingChips, Mike Payne and Kaleb Mertz return to dive into part loading and pallet loading, a mixed vs fixed mindset, and why predictive is better than reactive. We'll connect all of it back to every shop's end goal: business results. Don't miss it!

Segments

• [0:18] Learn about IMTS 2024 Sectors
• [4:03] Part loading vs pallet loading
• [9:53] Embrace a mixed vs fixed mindset
• [16:00] Manufacturing Transformed
• [17:32] Predictive is better than reactive
• [22:29] If you can sense it, you can do it

Resources mentioned on this episode

• IMTS Sectors
• IMTS Community
• Go listen to the Manufacturing Transformed podcast

Connect With MakingChips

• www.MakingChips.com
• On Facebook
• On LinkedIn
• On Instagram
• On Twitter
• On YouTube

Machine monitoring can give us insights into our machines that can and should change how we're operating. The end goal is to drive better business results. But how should monitoring be paired with advanced business strategies to help you achieve those results? Mike Payne, Kaleb Mertz and I connect the dots in this episode of MakingChips. Because if you're not efficiently MakingChips, you're not making money. BAM!

– Nick Goellner

Segments

• [0:20] Learn more about IMTS 2024 Elevate
• [2:28] What we listen to at work
• [7:00] Manufacturing News: Technology Orders Grow
• [13:08] Latin America Conference at IMTS
• [15:02] Using ProShop for cutting tool management
• [16:11] Coaching is more important than monitoring
• [21:21] Adaptive controls and tooling optimizations

Resources mentioned on this episode

• IMTS Elevate
• ChillHop Radio
• Pop Goes Classical on Spotify
• Erica Violet on Spotify
• Manufacturing Technology Orders Grow Despite Sustained High Interest Rates

Connect With MakingChips

• www.MakingChips.com
• On Facebook
• On LinkedIn
• On Instagram
• On Twitter
• On YouTube

Can small shops begin to automate their processes? Where do they start with automation? In this episode of MakingChips, the CNC Samurai, Steve Courchane, returns to share his passion for automation. He lays out his 3M process and how it changes the way you view automation. Because if you're not modeling, making, or measuring—you're not MakingChips. And if you're not MakingChips, you're not making money. BAM!

– Jason Zenger

Segments

• [0:20] Join the AMT community!
• [4:06] Update on my progress!
• [5:40] Welcoming Steve Courchane back
• [7:35] Machine Shop Masterclass
• [14:53] Manufacturing Leadership Spotlight
• [19:52] Who is the CNC Samurai?
• [23:30] Why branding was important to Steve
• [26:13] It's time to graduate to NetSuite by Oracle
• [27:33] How Steve's mindset has changed about automation
• [34:27] When Steve learned to love automation
• [36:37] Steve's 3M process: model, make, and measure

Resources mentioned on this episode

• Join the AMT community!
• What the Heck is a Samurai CNC Machinist?
• Winning the War for Talent by Chris Czarnik
• Steve Courchane on Instagram
• Chris Luecke on LinkedIn
• The Cultish Show
• NetSuite by Oracle

Connect With MakingChips

• www.MakingChips.com
• On Facebook
• On LinkedIn
• On Instagram
• On Twitter
• On YouTube

POV: You've decided to start the process of implementing automation in your machine shop—but it isn't as easy as flipping a switch. It's a process that consists of failing forward and learning from every mistake. Tom Schroeder—the Executive Vice President at PBC Linear—joins us in this episode of Lights Out to share how to prioritize flexibility when you invest in and begin to implement automation in your shop. Because if you're not making the right chips, you're not making money.

– Nick

Segments

• [1:28] Learn more about Kaleb Mertz
• [4:04] Today's guest: Tom Schroeder
• [5:16] What's the Chip on Your Shoulder?
• [11:44] PBC Linear's investment in an MCM
• [16:52] Get NetSuite's KPI Checklist
• [19:31] Managing high mix low volume
• [23:40] Steps to take before automating
• [27:11] Why automation is necessary
• [30:00] Innovation = learning to think differently
• [32:30] Automation doesn't take away jobs

Resources mentioned on this episode

• Get your free KPI checklist from NetSuite by Oracle!
• Kaleb Mertz on LinkedIn
• Tom Schroeder on LinkedIn
• Episode #399: Do We Need More Manufacturing Entrepreneurs?

Connect With MakingChips

• www.MakingChips.com
• On Facebook
• On LinkedIn
• On Instagram
• On Twitter
• On YouTube