Jeff Ritzmann joins me for the first 20 minutes or so to talk about his new Blog, The Numinous Den (http://numinousden.blogspot.com/). We talk about liminality and the Paranormal, and the role of the Trickster... Then Timothy Renner joins us to follow up on his last visit and whether or not he should undergo hypnosis to recover more of his experiences. Jeff, having researched hypnosis thoroughly, gives his thoughts, and why hypnosis is not what people think it is. This conversation does continue on a Patreon only feed, as we ran out of time for the live show.  Download Find Timothy at www.StrangeFamiliars.com. We also end the show with a song from his band, Stone Breath, "Just Like the River" off of the album Children of Hum. Available here.