In this episode of the Hopecast, Dr. Jane Goodall is joined by Lisa Jackson, the vice president of Environment, Policy, and Social Initiatives at Apple. Lisa and Jane’s conversation offers a look at how businesses can, in fact, be innovators and leaders in sustainability, as well as environmental justice and action. Before Lisa became a leader in this space, she was set on becoming a doctor, pivoting after to engineering. Upon better understanding of the impacts of pollution and the degradation of the environment on human health, she combined her interests to apply them in positions as fundamental as head of the Environmental Protection Agency under the Obama Administration. Lisa and Jane discuss how positive environmental impact can be made in any industry, by every individual, and how change happens from people speaking up in their respective companies and locally. Lisa additionally explains how she is working to make Apple’s entire supply chain carbon neutral by 2030, and how though there is a long way to go, that a tremendous amount of progress has been made. Jane, who often reaches across industries to support positive actions like that of Apple, explains why it is critically important that one of the largest corporations in the world is taking positive steps forward, creating ripple effects around the globe. Listen to this inspiring conversation about how both Lisa and Jane turn their hope into action, from the tech world to community-led conservation and beyond.

At the End of the Rainbow: Stay to the end of the episode to hear a clip of Jane speaking about why recycling our cell phones, and reducing our consumption, is important in order to reduce harm to ecosystems, wildlife, and human communities.