Director Lisa Cortés’s new documentary Little Richard: I Am Everything traces the conflicts and contradictions of one of the pioneers of Rock n’ Roll. Lisa talks about Richard’s battles with his queerness and his religiosity with a particular gentleness, as well as revealing what made him one of the era’s greatest performers.

And Joy Oladokun is another American artist whose music balances her queerness and her faith. Raised in a charismatic church community in Arizona, she was inspired to become a musician after watching Tracy Chapman play the guitar. Joy picked up the guitar herself, and now four studio albums later she talks to Robbie about the latest, which is called Proof of Life.