Live Behind The Veil

Summary

This conversation reveals the heart of God as seen through Israel and the Jewish people. The family reflect on how Israel is not merely a place to visit, but a living testimony of God’s faithfulness, love, endurance, and purpose. They emphasize that God has worked something deep within the Jewish people through His Word, the Torah, and their continual devotion to it. The discussion also highlights that love, not doctrine alone, is the key to true oneness between Jews, Gentiles, and the Body of Christ.

Show Notes

Ron opens by explaining that visiting Israel is not really about the places themselves, but about seeing the revelation of God and His people. He describes the Jewish people as a people who have endured centuries of oppression and still stand strong in the land of Israel.

Ken shares his love for the Jewish people and acknowledges that while he may not understand how everything will unfold, he believes the Lord is leading His Body into greater revelation.

Mike explains that the Jewish people’s continual reading, singing, speaking, and living of the Torah has shaped who they are. He connects this to John 1, where Christ is revealed as the Word made flesh.

Debbie emphasizes the importance of memorizing Scripture so that the Word becomes part of a person’s life and can be meditated on throughout the day.

Ron and Debbie point to the children in Israel as evidence of the Word being lived out. They describe young people actively participating with passion and purpose because they are being trained in the way they should go.

Ron and Ken discuss how doctrine, when separated from love, can become destructive. They emphasize that the love of God is what must control, drive, and bring forth true oneness.

Dale closes by describing Israel as a nation increasingly standing in the purpose God created for her. He points to Israel’s strength, prosperity, and willingness to live out what God has given them.

Key Quotes

“You’re missing everything if that’s what you go for. You’re really missing the revelation of God and His people.”

“When you start getting a revelation of their heart, it’s just, ‘Oh my God,’ there’s no people like that I’ve seen.”

“I intently love the Jewish people with all of my heart.”

“It’s gotta come down to the heart. God’s looking at our hearts.”

“God and the Word are one. They’re together.”

“Then you can mutter it all day long. It becomes so much a part of who you are and your whole being.”

“The proof of the pudding is in the kids.”

“It’s not doctrine. Doctrine’s way down the ladder. It’s heart.”

“It’s the love of God that controls us, the love of God that drives us.”

“They’re willing to take up their lives and live it.”

Scriptural References

God’s Word Becoming Life Within His People

These references point to the Word of God becoming living reality in the hearts and lives of those who receive it.

Training the Next Generation

These scriptures connect with the discussion about Jewish children being trained in the Word and participating in the life of God from a young age.

God Looking at the Heart

These passages support the emphasis that God is looking beyond outward doctrine or appearance and into the heart.

Love as the Foundation of Oneness

These scriptures support the theme that love, not doctrine alone, is the key to true oneness in the Body of Christ.

God’s Purpose for Israel

These references connect with the discussion of Israel standing in God’s purpose and becoming what He created her to be.

Takeaway

The heart of God is being revealed through Israel, not simply through its historic places, but through a people shaped by His Word, sustained by His faithfulness, and called to stand in His purpose. The greatest key is not doctrine by itself, but the love of God written on the heart, bringing Jews and Gentiles into the oneness God intends.

Summary

Entering His Presence: The Path to True Oneness explores how believers are being drawn into a deeper awareness of God's presence through prayer, worship, meditation on His Word, and continual communion with Him. Ron's experience in Israel highlights a lifestyle where prayer and Scripture are woven into everyday life, creating a constant focus on the Lord. The discussion reveals that God's ultimate purpose is not merely to bring His people into agreement with one another, but into oneness with Himself.

As believers grow in their relationship with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, true unity becomes a natural byproduct. The speakers emphasize that oneness is sustained by God's love, not human effort, and that the pathway into this reality is through the cross. The conversation concludes with the understanding that spiritual maturity is measured not by doctrine or religious performance, but by love, surrender, and participation in the life of Christ.

Show Notes

Living in Continual Awareness of God's Presence

Ron shares how beginning everything with prayer continually brings his focus back to the Lord. He reflects on memorizing and meditating on Scripture throughout the day and how this practice cultivates a greater awareness of God's presence.

A Living Expression of the Body of Christ

Ron recounts his experience attending a Messianic Jewish Kehilah in Jerusalem, where worship, Scripture, and participation from people of all ages flowed together naturally. The gathering demonstrated a living picture of the Body of Christ functioning as every member supplied.

Walking the Path God Has Given

The speakers discuss the importance of trusting God's leading in uncertain times. Rather than being consumed by world events, believers are encouraged to remain faithful to the path the Lord has placed before them.

Preparing for Eternal Fellowship

The conversation highlights how God is preparing His people for eternity in His presence. Prayer, worship, and communion with Him are not temporary practices but part of the inheritance believers are growing into.

Becoming One New Creation

The discussion explores God's purpose of bringing together people from every background into one new creation in Christ. The focus is not on natural identity but on participation in His life.

The Foundation of Oneness

True unity is rooted in loving God and loving one another. Christ remains the center of all genuine relationships within the Body of Christ.

God's Love as the Source of Unity

The speakers emphasize that God's love—not human effort—is what enables believers to truly love one another and walk together in harmony.

The Cross as the Pathway

The cross remains the doorway into deeper fellowship with God. Through surrender and identification with Christ, believers are brought into greater unity with Him and with one another.

Oneness as a Byproduct of Relationship

The discussion concludes with the understanding that oneness cannot be achieved through striving. As believers pursue the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, unity naturally emerges as the fruit of that relationship.

Key Quotes

"Everything is started with prayer."

"This was the congregation worshiping."

"We just have to open our hearts and allow the Lord to really show us exactly what is taking place."

"You're going to be in His presence for eternity. Get used to it, folks."

"We're always growing. We're always changing. We're always becoming."

"The main thing is our oneness."

"Never leave the oneness."

"Just because we're different doesn't mean that we aren't one."

"The one ingredient that enables us to really come into this level of oneness is God's love."

"There is no entering in except through the cross."

"If your drive is into Them, then the oneness is a byproduct."

Scriptural References

Prayer, Meditation, and God's Presence

The Body of Christ Functioning Together

Following God's Leading

Living in His Presence for Eternity

One New Creation in Christ

Oneness in Christ

God's Love as the Source of Unity

Entering Through the Cross

Loving God and Loving One Another

Takeaway

True oneness is not something believers create through agreement, organization, or effort. It is the natural result of entering God's presence through prayer, worship, obedience, love, and the work of the cross. As each believer pursues a deeper relationship with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, God's love flows through them, producing genuine unity within the Body of Christ. The closer we draw to Him, the closer we become to one another. Oneness is not the goal—it is the fruit of living continually in His presence.

Summary

This conversation centers on the importance of living in continual awareness of God's presence and intentionally including Him in every aspect of daily life. Ron shares how his experience in Israel impacted his walk with the Lord, particularly through the Jewish practice of prayer, memorizing Scripture, and keeping God at the forefront of everyday activities. The discussion highlights how prayer is not merely a religious exercise but a way of welcoming God's presence into every moment.

The family also reflect on a worship service at a Messianic Jewish Kehila in Jerusalem, where people of all ages participated by singing and reciting Scripture. This experience served as a powerful picture of the Body of Christ functioning together, with every member contributing. The conversation further explores the beauty of Israel, the faith and resilience of its people, the security provided by the IDF, and the fulfillment of biblical prophecies visible in modern Jerusalem. Throughout the discussion, the emphasis remains on recognizing God's faithfulness, cultivating His presence, and allowing His Word to become a living reality in daily life.

Show Notes

• Ron shares how his trip to Israel changed his perspective on prayer and daily fellowship with God.

• The importance of memorizing Scripture and keeping the Word continually before the Lord.

• Dale explains how Jewish culture intentionally includes God in every aspect of life.

• Discussion of prayer as the gateway to living in God's presence.

• Ron describes attending a Messianic Jewish Kehila where worship centered on Scripture, participation, and community.

• The congregation demonstrated a living expression of the Body of Christ, with every person contributing.

• Reflections on the beauty and fruitfulness of the land of Israel.

• Observations of the security and vigilance of the Israeli people and the IDF.

• Testimonies of feeling God's peace and protection while in Israel.

• The fulfillment of biblical prophecy seen in the children playing in the streets of Jerusalem.

• Recognition of God's faithfulness to His promises and His ongoing work among His people.

Key Quotes

• "When you do that, it really brings the Lord front and center in an awareness."

• "I'm trying to memorize, memorize, memorize so that I can mumble all day long the Word of God."

• "The drive of our hearts is to be in His presence always."

• "The best way to welcome Him into our presence is prayer."

• "To me, it was like an example of the Body of Christ moving where every member supplies."

• "I never felt afraid at all, not even once."

• "A lot of it had to do with the presence of the Lord."

• "The children will be playing once again in the streets of old Jerusalem."

• "These kids were having a ball. They were just having fun."

Scriptural References

Psalm 1 (2)

"But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on His law he meditates day and night."

Referenced through Ron's emphasis on memorizing and continually speaking the Word of God.

Psalm 119 (11)

"Your word I have treasured in my heart, that I may not sin against You."

Reflects the discussion of hiding God's Word in the heart through memorization.

Joshua 1 (8)

"This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night."

Illustrates the practice of continually speaking and meditating on God's Word.

1 Thessalonians 5 (17)

"Pray without ceasing."

Supports the theme of including God in every aspect of life through continual prayer.

John 15 (4–5)

"Abide in Me, and I in you."

Reflects the desire to live continually in God's presence and awareness.

Ephesians 4 (16)

"From whom the whole body, being fitted and held together... causes the growth of the body."

Illustrates Ron's observation of every member participating during worship at the Kehila.

1 Peter 2 (5)

"You also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house."

Supports the picture of a functioning spiritual community where every member contributes.

Isaiah 35 (1)

"The wilderness and the desert will be glad, and the Arabah will rejoice and blossom like the crocus."

Connected to the discussion of Israel's land flourishing and becoming fruitful.

Zechariah 8 (4–5)

"Old men and old women will again sit in the streets of Jerusalem... and the streets of the city will be filled with boys and girls playing in its streets."

Directly referenced in the conversation regarding Rothschild Square and children playing in Jerusalem.

Psalm 91 (1–2)

"He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty."

Reflects the testimony of experiencing peace and protection while in Israel.

Takeaway

Living in God's presence is not reserved for special moments of worship or prayer meetings; it is a daily lifestyle of intentionally including Him in everything we do. As believers fill their hearts with His Word, cultivate continual prayer, and remain aware of His nearness, they become increasingly sensitive to His presence and His leading. Out of that relationship flows peace, worship, fellowship, and a living expression of Christ through His Body. The more God becomes the center of everyday life, the more His reality is manifested in and through His people.

Summary

This conversation focuses on the mystery of God's redemptive plan and the necessity of remaining open to the ongoing revelation of the Holy Spirit. The speakers discuss God's covenant promises concerning Israel, acknowledging that some scriptures appear difficult to reconcile through natural understanding alone. Rather than forcing God's Word into fixed doctrinal conclusions, believers are encouraged to trust what God has spoken and allow Him to reveal His purposes in His timing.

The discussion also highlights God's ultimate purpose of creating a new humanity in Christ that transcends all natural distinctions. The family emphasizes humility, spiritual openness, and dependence upon the mind of Christ rather than human reasoning. Through grace, repentance, and daily surrender to the Father, believers are being transformed into His image and prepared to participate in His greater purpose for all creation.

Show Notes

• The family discusses the mystery surrounding God's covenant promise that "all Israel will be saved."

• The family explores how seemingly conflicting scriptures are often a result of human misunderstanding rather than contradiction within God's Word.

• God's promises stand because of His faithfulness and His name, not because of human merit or understanding.

• Believers are encouraged to resist the temptation to force scripture into rigid doctrinal systems.

• The Holy Spirit is the source of revelation and understanding.

• God is bringing forth a new creation that transcends traditional distinctions of Jew and Gentile.

• Spiritual growth requires remaining teachable and open to fresh revelation.

• Ken warns against the danger of the independent spirit that believes it already has all the answers.

• Dale emphasizes developing a relationship with the Father and allowing the mind of Christ to replace natural reasoning.

• Grace is presented as God's means of transforming humanity into His image.

• The conversation concludes with the call to daily surrender and continual openness to God's leading.

Key Quotes

• "All Israel will be saved. That's a covenant. That's a promise from God." — Ron

• "They're not conflicting scriptures. They're only conflicting in our minds." — Ron

• "Whether I get it or not is not the point. The point is You said it." — Ron

• "Be open, be open, be open, be open." — Ron

• "We think we've got the whole thing wired, and we have no clue." — Ken

• "When Christ is revealed, we're going to find out exactly what God meant and how it's going to work." — Ken

• "It's so important not to snap judge about anything." — Ken

• "We keep our spirits open, and we don't lock ourselves into anything." — Ken

• "The greatest enemy of the church is the independent spirit." — Ken

• "We have to stay open to what the Lord's speaking on a continual basis." — Ken

• "The human mind is not capable of being led by the Spirit yet. You can always trade it in for the mind of Christ." — Dale

• "You're getting a nature change. We're being created in His image." — Dale

• "Lord, show me. Show me what You want today. I'm Yours." — Dale

Scriptural References

God's Covenant Promise to Israel

• Romans — Paul reveals the mystery that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and declares, "All Israel shall be saved." He emphasizes that God's gifts and calling are irrevocable.

• Ezekiel — God declares that He will restore and cleanse Israel for His holy name's sake, not because they deserve it. He promises to remove their uncleanness, give them a new heart, and put His Spirit within them.

Salvation Through Christ Alone

• John — Jesus declares, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

• Acts — Peter proclaims that there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Gentiles Grafted Into God's Covenant Purposes

• Romans — Paul describes Gentile believers as wild olive branches grafted into God's cultivated olive tree, sharing in the covenant promises given to Israel.

The New Creation and One New Humanity

• 2 Corinthians — Anyone who is in Christ is a new creation; old things pass away and all things become new.

• Galatians — In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female, for all are one in Him.

• Ephesians — Christ breaks down the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile and creates "one new man" through His sacrifice.

Remaining Open to God's Revelation

• Isaiah — God's thoughts and ways are higher than human thoughts and ways.

• 1 Corinthians — Spiritual things are discerned through the Spirit of God, and believers are called to receive the mind of Christ.

• John — The Spirit of Truth guides believers into all truth and reveals what is yet to come.

Elijah and the Remnant

• 1 Kings — Elijah believes he is the only faithful servant left, but God reveals that He has preserved seven thousand who have not bowed to Baal.

• Romans — Paul uses Elijah's experience as an example of God's faithful remnant preserved by grace.

Taking Up the Cross and Following Christ

• Luke — Jesus calls His followers to deny themselves, take up their cross daily, and follow Him.

• Philippians — Believers are instructed to have the same mind that was in Christ Jesus, who humbled Himself and became obedient unto death.

Transformation Into His Image

• Romans — God's purpose is to conform believers to the image of His Son.

• 2 Corinthians — As believers behold the Lord, they are transformed from glory to glory into His image by the Spirit.

Grace as God's Means of Transformation

• Titus — The grace of God teaches believers to deny ungodliness and live righteously while being transformed into a people zealous for good works.

• Ephesians — Salvation is by grace through faith, and believers are created in Christ Jesus for God's purposes.

Takeaway

God's purposes are often greater than our current understanding of them. Rather than clinging to fixed interpretations, believers are called to trust His Word, remain open to the Holy Spirit's ongoing revelation, and allow the mind of Christ to replace natural reasoning. As we walk in humility and surrender, God continues transforming us into His image and preparing a people who can participate in His redemptive purpose for Israel, the nations, and ultimately all creation.

Summary

This conversation explores the spiritual reality of oneness in Christ and how it becomes the foundation for true relationships within the Body of Christ. The speakers emphasize that oneness is not merely agreement or unity of purpose but a deeper connection that comes through sharing in the life, nature, and revelation of Jesus Christ. As believers trust the Father with a childlike faith, pursue a deeper relationship with Christ, and allow His Word to become a living reality within them, they naturally grow into greater oneness with God and with one another.

The discussion highlights that spiritual maturity is not achieved through human effort, criticism, comparison, or self-evaluation, but through becoming increasingly wrapped up in Christ. As believers discover who they are in Him and embrace the truths of Scripture as personal revelation, Christ is unveiled within them. Out of that growing revelation flows love, ministry, and a natural expression of God's life to the world around them. True evangelism becomes less about religious effort and more about Christ being manifested through everyday life.

Show Notes

• The importance of trusting God regardless of circumstances.

• The difference between unity and oneness.

• Childlike faith as a key to walking with God.

• Sharing in a common revelation of Jesus Christ.

• Why intimacy with Christ produces love for others.

• Living from the spirit rather than the soul.

• The born-again experience and spiritual identity.

• Oneness as an atmosphere where God can move freely.

• Becoming the living expression of God's Word.

• Christ being unveiled within believers.

• Natural evangelism flowing from Christ's life within us.

• Discovering the fullness of Christ already present in us.

Key Quotes

• "Oneness is spirit, but unity is soul."

• "Oneness actually is forever. That is where we're going to live. That's our destination."

• "If we're walking with God, we have to trust Him. He is our spiritual Dad. He is everything to us."

• "He is oneness personified."

• "You cannot touch the Lord without loving your brother or sister."

• "We're going to walk in oneness because we share in a common revelation of Jesus Christ."

• "Perfect is just being in God."

• "That oneness is not an end in itself. It's a facilitator. It's an atmosphere where good things can happen."

• "As you grow in the Lord, as you dive into Him more and more, the oneness automatically happens because He is one."

• "You become one because you're one with the Word."

• "It's not a reaching. It's an unveiling of Christ that's already in us."

• "You had the capacity all along. You just never knew you had it."

Scriptural References

• John 17 (20–23) That they may all be one, even as We are one.

• Ephesians 4 (3–6) One body, one Spirit, one faith, one Lord.

• Proverbs 3 (5–6) Trust in the Lord and do not lean on your own understanding.

• Matthew 18 (3–4) Unless you become like little children, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

• Mark 10 (14–15) Receive the Kingdom of God as a child.

• 2 Peter 1 (1) To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours.

• Philippians 3 (8–10) Knowing Christ above all else.

• 1 John 4 (7–12) Everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

• John 13 (34–35) By this all men will know you are My disciples.

• Romans 8(14–17) Sons and heirs of God.

• Galatians 4 (6–7) God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts.

• Colossians 1 (26–27) Christ in you, the hope of glory.

• 2 Corinthians 3 (18) Being transformed into His image.

• John 5 (39) Search the Scriptures, for they testify of Me.

Takeaway

True oneness is not something we create through agreement, effort, or religious activity. It is the natural result of becoming increasingly one with Christ. As we trust the Father, embrace our identity as His sons and daughters, and allow His Word to become a living revelation within us, Christ is unveiled through our lives. Out of that revelation flows love for one another, unity in the Spirit, and a powerful witness to the world that is produced not by striving, but by the life of Christ being expressed through us.

Summary

This conversation centers on entering into the finished work of Christ and learning to walk in complete trust and dependence upon God. The speakers emphasize that believers are already being perfected through Christ and that God is actively shaping, refining, and transforming His people into vessels through which He can move. Rather than striving through human effort, the family discusses yielding to the Father’s will, allowing Him to prune, mold, and lead them into deeper relationship and rest.

The discussion also highlights the transition from the Adamic nature into the life of the Spirit, where believers begin to experience authority, sonship, peace, and contentment in God. Through faith, humility, and surrender, the believer discovers that the true reward is not earthly gain, but an ongoing walk and relationship with the Father.

Show Notes

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Takeaway

The believer’s journey is not about striving to become something through human effort, but about surrendering to the finished work of Christ and allowing God to shape, refine, and live through them. As believers learn to trust Him daily, they enter into His rest, discovering that the true fulfillment is not found in future promises alone, but in walking with God right now.

This conversation emphasizes the critical need for believers to move beyond relying on the voices and interpretations of others and into a personal, living revelation of God. In a time filled with many competing voices, true spiritual direction comes only by hearing the voice of the Lord individually. The Word of God is not meant to be intellectually processed alone but spiritually received, digested, and lived. As believers grow, they must learn to discern between human interpretation and divine revelation, walking in the Spirit with clarity, simplicity, and direct relationship with the Father.

True spiritual life is not built on what others say about God but on personally hearing, receiving, and living His Word through direct revelation. As believers learn to discern His voice and walk in the Spirit, they move from confusion and dependence on others into clarity, maturity, and a real, living relationship with the Father.

This conversation reveals that God’s ultimate purpose in sending Jesus was to restore humanity into relationship with Himself through a new covenant established by His blood. Through Christ’s perfect sacrifice, believers now have direct access to the Father. The heart of God is not centered on religion or denomination, but on a people who willingly choose to worship Him from their hearts. True worship is not confined to moments but is expressed through a daily relationship of love, humility, obedience, and surrender. As believers come into His presence, transformation and cleansing take place, enabling them to become the very people God has always desired—those who live in continual relationship and worship before Him.

God’s desire has always been simple yet profound: a people who willingly choose Him. Through Jesus, access to the Father is already open—not something to earn, but something to step into by faith. True transformation doesn’t come from striving to become clean; it comes from entering His presence and worshiping Him now. The call is not to religion, but to relationship—to live every day as a worshiper who loves, serves, and walks with Him.

This conversation centers on the revelation that Christ is already present within us, and His coming is not just a future event but an ongoing dawning in the hearts of believers. The family describe how awareness of His presence grows progressively, like the rising sun, bringing transformation and deeper understanding. Rather than waiting for fulfillment through an outward event, believers are called to embrace the process of His life being formed within them now.

God’s timing unfolds according to His purpose, often hidden, but always moving toward the manifestation of a people who reflect Him. This work begins within—through a creative, transformative judgment that shapes believers into His workmanship. As hearts remain open and focused on Him, His kingdom continues to emerge, revealing that everything needed already resides within. The call is simple: recognize His presence, stay open, and allow Him to fully manifest His life through you.

The coming of Christ is not only something to wait for—it is something to recognize and respond to now. His presence is already within, growing and revealing itself as hearts open to Him. Instead of striving for a future moment of fulfillment, believers are invited to embrace the ongoing process of transformation, trusting God’s timing and allowing His life to fully emerge.

Summary

This conversation centers on the family of God learning to live in the reality of Christ within them through faith, not feelings or circumstances. The family shares how God is looking for those who trust Him consistently, recognizing that faith, love, authority, and power all come from Him and are expressed through us. As believers grow in their identity in Christ, they begin to see others through His perspective and function together as one body. The life of Christ within becomes the source of everything—guiding, sustaining, and ministering through the family as they walk in unity and trust.

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Takeaway

The family of God is called to live from the reality of Christ within, not from feelings, circumstances, or personal effort. As we trust Him and walk by faith, His life flows through us—uniting us as one body and expressing His love, power, and purpose to the world.