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  • Consumed by His Love
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    Summary
    This conversation reveals that God is not merely loving—He is love in His very nature. His love is not emotional but intentional, always working toward our best interest. Through trials, correction, and even suffering, God is drawing believers deeper into Himself, refining them so they can fully walk in His love. The ultimate goal is to live continually in that love, allowing it to transform, sustain, and mature us into His nature.
    Show Notes
    • God’s nature is entirely defined by love
    • True understanding of God comes through experiencing His love
    • God’s love = acting in our best interest (not emotion, but intent)
    • Trials and “fire” are expressions of His refining love
    • Faith is trusting God’s love even when we don’t understand
    • Jesus modeled love through obedience, suffering, and service
    • The Lordship of Christ anchors us in His love
    • Love is the foundation of all God’s actions
    • Walking in love brings increasing light, wisdom, and maturity
    • Believers are being formed into sons through His love

    Key Quotes
    • “He’s not about love—He is love.”
    • “God’s love is defined as our best interest.”
    • “It’s got nothing to do with emotion—it has to do with intent.”
    • “The fire is the love of God.”
    • “If you’re looking for something other than His love, you’re not looking for God.”
    • “The greatest realm we’ll ever reach is the fullness of His love.”
    • “Keep yourself in the love of God.”

    Scriptural References
    • 1 John 4 (8)God is love; His nature defines everything He does
    • Hebrews 5 (8)Jesus learned obedience through suffering
    • 1 Peter 4 (12)Do not think it strange concerning fiery trials
    • Proverbs 3 (5–6)Trust in the Lord and He will direct your path
    • John 13 (14–15)Jesus washing feet demonstrates servant leadership
    • 2 Peter 1 (4))Believers partake in the divine nature
    • Jude 1 (21)Keep yourselves in the love of God
    • Nehemiah 8 (10)The joy of the Lord is your strength

    Takeaway
    God’s love is not something He gives—it is who He is. Every circumstance, even difficulty, is an expression of that love working to draw us deeper into Him. The call is to trust, remain, and live continually in that love.
    10 min
  • From Bechmarks to Eternity – Walking Forward in the Spirit Realm
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    Summary

    This conversation centers on the believer’s journey out of the limitations of the past and into the present reality of life in the Spirit. While past experiences serve as important “benchmarks” that reveal God’s faithfulness and establish spiritual foundations, they are not meant to hold us back or define our present walk. Instead, they become reference points that strengthen faith as we continue moving forward.
    The speakers emphasize that true life is found in the Spirit, not in the soul, flesh, or past experiences. Believers are called to live in the “now” reality of God’s kingdom, where everything He has done remains alive and accessible. This journey is described as a return to our origin in God—an awakening to our eternal identity in Christ.
    Ultimately, the message reveals that we are being drawn upward into deeper realms of the Spirit, not by striving, but by aligning with God and allowing Him to lead. It is a continual progression toward our true home in Him, where we fully realize who we are and where we came from.
    Show Notes
    Main Theme:
    Living in the present reality of the Spirit while moving forward from past experiences into deeper realms of God.
    • A Greater Heritage in God
      • Our inheritance in the kingdom far surpasses anything the world offers.
      • Living in past failures or experiences limits present spiritual life.

  • The Role of Benchmarks
    • Past experiences serve as spiritual foundations, not destinations.
    • They testify to God’s faithfulness and guide future growth.
    • Like climbing anchors, they prevent falling too far back.

  • Moving Forward, Not Backward
    • Spiritual growth creates points of no return.
    • True progress means continuing onward, not revisiting old mindsets.

  • Living in the Spirit vs. the Flesh
    • Identity is rooted in the Spirit, not emotions, memories, or past pain.
    • Focus determines whether the past has power over us.

  • God’s Faithfulness Revealed in the Past
    • Looking back properly brings humility and gratitude.
    • It reveals God’s guidance and intentional work in our lives.

  • A Journey of Impartation
    • Each step forward brings new revelation and transformation.
    • Believers are continually being drawn into deeper spiritual realms.

  • Entering a New Realm
    • A shift from time-based living to “now” reality in the Spirit.
    • God’s works are not past—they are alive and present.

  • Return to Origin in God
    • Believers come from God and are returning to Him.
    • Identity is discovered through revelation of Jesus Christ.

  • Eternal Identity in Christ
    • We are not merely created beings but originate from God in Christ.
    • Our journey is a return to our eternal home.

  • Being Led by the Spirit
    • Spiritual growth is not self-driven but Spirit-led.
    • Alignment with God opens the next level of experience.


    Quotes
    • “Do you want to live in what was, or in the light God has brought you into?”
    • “Benchmarks are not places to stay—they are foundations to stand on.”
    • “If you fall, you only fall back to the last place you knew God was real.”
    • “We are not living in the realm of the earth—we are living in the realm of the Spirit.”
    • “Everything God has ever done is still alive right now.”
    • “We’re not timeline people waiting for something—this is now.”
    • “We came out of God, and we are returning to Him.”
    • “Our identity is revealed as we see Christ.”
    • “We are not doing this—He is calling us up, and we are aligning with Him.”

    Scriptural References
    • Psalm 126 (1)“We were like those who dream.”
    • Hebrews 7 (3)Melchizedek: “without father, without mother… having neither beginning of days nor end of life”
    • 2 Corinthians 5 (17)“Old things have passed away… all things have become new”
    • John 16 (28)“I came forth from the Father… and go to the Father”
    • Ephesians 1 (3)“Blessed us with every spiritual blessing in heavenly places”
    • Ephesians 2 (6)“Seated us together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus”
    • Romans 8 (14)“As many as are led by the Spirit… these are sons of God”
    • Jeremiah 1 (5)implied concept) – Known before formation
    • Ecclesiastes 3 (11)Eternity placed in the heart

    Takeaway
    The past is not your dwelling place—it is your witness.
    God uses it to establish truth in you, but your life is meant to be lived in the present reality of the Spirit. As you move forward, aligning with Him, He leads you into deeper realms of understanding, identity, and union with Himself.
    You are not becoming something new—you are awakening to where you came from and returning to who you’ve always been in Him.
    11 min
  • The Kingdom Passover – Entering Through the Blood of Christ
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    Summary
    This conversation reveals that the Kingdom Passover is the spiritual doorway into God’s Kingdom, made possible through the crucifixion and blood of Jesus Christ. It emphasizes that this is not about human effort, but about receiving what Christ has already accomplished through grace and faith. Through His blood, believers enter into God’s presence, stand in His victory, and participate in the unfolding Kingdom on earth. The message highlights unity, transformation, trust, and the present reality of walking in Christ’s authority as part of His Body.
    Show Notes
    1. The Cross as the Door into the Kingdom
    • Christ’s crucifixion is thekey to the Kingdom Passover
    • His death opened anew door from one age into another
    • The Kingdom is entered through His sacrifice, not human works

    2. The Blood Covenant and New Covenant Reality
    • The covenant in Christ’s blood iseverything for believers
    • It is based onwhat God has already done, not what we do
    • The Passover representsappropriation of Christ’s finished work

    3. Access into God’s Presence
    • Through Christ’s blood, believers:
      • Enter God’s presence
      • Receive redemption and grace

  • Ongoing transformation still comes by believing Him

  • 4. Inclusion of All Creation
    • God’s plan includesall creation through Christ
    • The Kingdom removes divisions:
      • “Neither Jew nor Greek…”

  • A new creation reality is emerging through His blood

  • 5. Standing in Victory and Authority
    • Believers stand in:
      • Christ’s victory
      • The rest of God

  • Authority comes through positioning in Him, not striving

  • 6. Manifestation of the Kingdom on Earth
    • The Kingdom is not distant—it iscoming into this realm
    • Christ is being revealed through His people
    • His Body becomes the vessel of Kingdom expression

    7. God’s Appointed Times and Revelation
    • The feasts areappointed times of revelation
    • God is unveiling things previously hidden
    • Believers are called to live withanticipation and faith

    8. Grace, Faith, and Trust
    • Salvation and walking in God are by:
      • Grace + Faith

  • Trust becomes a deep, unwavering response
  • Walking with God becomes an automatic reflex of trust

  • 9. Living in the “Now” of God
    • The Kingdom is not future only—it ispresent (“today”)
    • Believers must remove delay and excuses
    • The call is to step intoimmediate obedience and reality

    10. Walking in Openness and Truth
    • Victory comes through:
      • Transparency before God
      • The Word as a sword

  • Not through worldly systems or duplicity

  • Key Quotes
    • “The key to the Passover of the kingdom was Christ’s crucifixion.”
    • “That door that Christ opened… was so necessary.”
    • “The covenant that He made in His blood is everything to us.”
    • “By grace we’ve been saved through faith.”
    • “I don’t care what’s coming… I trust what the Lord’s doing.”
    • “We are in Christ… walking in His victory.”
    • “It’s now. It’s today.”
    • “You prevail as you stand… before the Lord with the sword.”
    • “God is our provision… this is a new day.”

    Scriptural References
    • Exodus 12The original Passover (foundation of the concept)
    • John 1 (29)Christ as the Lamb of God
    • Hebrews 10 (19–22)Access to God through the blood of Jesus
    • Jeremiah 31 (31)The New Covenant
    • Ephesians 2 (8–9)Saved by grace through faith
    • Galatians 3 (28)No Jew or Greek, one in Christ
    • Romans 8 (19–21)Creation included in redemption
    • Colossians 1 (18)Christ the head, we the Body
    • Hebrews 4 (3)Entering His rest
    • Hebrews 4 (12)The Word as a sharp two-edged sword

    Takeaway
    The Kingdom Passover is a present spiritual reality where believers enter through the blood of Christ into God’s presence, authority, and purpose. It is not achieved by effort, but by grace, faith, and trust in what Christ has already finished. As believers stand in His victory and walk in unity, the Kingdom is manifested on earth through them—right now, not someday.
    11 min
  • Living Worship – A Life in His Presence
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    Summary
    This conversation centers on God’s desire for a people who live in continual worship—not limited to music or moments, but expressed through a life lived in His presence. True worship is a spiritual state of being, rooted in relationship, obedience, and surrender. It involves standing in God’s presence through all circumstances, allowing Him to work through refining processes, and choosing daily to respond to Him. This lifestyle of worship transforms believers into a priestly and prophetic people, functioning in spirit and truth and building up the Body of Christ.
    Show Notes
    1. God’s Desire for a Different Kind of Worship
    • God is calling for more than traditional expressions of worship
    • He desires a people who live as akingdom of priests and prophets
    • The journey requires walking with God and allowing Him to reveal the way forward

    2. Worship Begins with a Choice
    • Israel refused direct relationship with God out of fear
    • God originally intendedall His people to be priests
    • Entering deeper worship requires willingness to hear God—even when it is difficult

    3. From Levites to Melchizedek Priesthood
    • There is a contrast between:
      • Settling for structured religion (Levites)
      • Entering relationship-based priesthood (Melchizedek)

  • God is calling His people into the higher order of relationship and authority

  • 4. Worship as a 24/7 Lifestyle
    • Worship is not limited to songs or gatherings
    • It is:
      • Walking with God continuously
      • Living with awareness of His presence
      • Carrying worship in the spirit at all times


    5. Standing in God’s Presence
    • Standing before the Lord is itself worship
    • True worship is revealed:
      • During trials
      • In devastation
      • When remaining unmoved and trusting Him


    6. Worship Beyond Music
    • Worship includes:
      • Waiting on God
      • Serving others
      • Living life with a surrendered heart

  • If worship is only singing, it stops when the song ends

  • 7. Worship in Everyday Life
    • Worship continues even while:
      • Working
      • Thinking deeply
      • Going about daily tasks

  • A spirit of worship allows God to speak at any moment

  • 8. Worship Builds the Body of Christ
    • Serving others = worship
    • Speaking truth and building others up is worship
    • Ministry flows out of a life rooted in God’s presence

    9. Worship in Spirit and Truth
    • True worship must be:
      • Spirit-led
      • Rooted in Christ (truth)

  • Anything outside of this lacks effectiveness

  • 10. Refining Fire Produces True Worship
    • Trials and hardship refine believers
    • The proper response is:
      • Gratitude
      • Surrender

  • God removes everything that hinders relationship with Him

  • 11. Worship Is a Daily Choice
    • Every person is given the opportunity to worship
    • It is not forced—it is chosen
    • Each day presents the decision to live in His presence

    Key Quotes
    • “God is looking for worshipers on a 24/7 basis.”
    • “Standing in His presence is a form of worship.”
    • “If all worship was singing, when you stop singing, you stop worshiping.”
    • “Our worship is because we’re standing in His presence all the time.”
    • “It’s not important what the mind understands—it’s that the spirit moves into it.”
    • “When you stand in His presence and speak what He speaks, it becomes a creative force.”
    • “No matter the devastation… the first thing should be, ‘Thank you, Lord.’”
    • “Every day is a choice to worship Him.”

    Scriptural References
    • John 4 (23–24)Worship in spirit and truth
    • Exodus 19m(5–6)A kingdom of priests
    • Hebrews 7Priesthood of Melchizedek
    • Revelation 1 (6 / 5 10)Made kings and priests
    • Revelation 7 (15)Serving Him day and night
    • Romans 12 (1)Living sacrifice (lifestyle worship)
    • Ephesians 4 (11–16)Building up the Body of Christ
    • 1 Thessalonians 5 (16–18)Rejoice always, give thanks
    • Malachi 3 (2–3)Refiner’s fire
    • Hebrews 13 (15)Sacrifice of praise

    Takeaway
    True worship is not something you do—it is who you become. It is a continual life lived in God’s presence, expressed through obedience, surrender, and relationship. Whether in trials, daily tasks, or ministry to others, worship flows from a spirit aligned with Him. And at its core, it is a daily choice to stand before God and live for Him in everything.
    11 min
  • When the Word Becomes Alive Within You
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    Summary
    This discussion centers on the necessity of moving beyond intellectual knowledge of God’s Word into a living, personal experience with Christ. True spiritual growth comes as the Word becomes alive within the believer through direct encounter, not just study or conversation. Faith is developed through experiencing Christ in real circumstances, and the transformation occurs in the spirit—not the mind. As believers cultivate a relationship with the Lord, endure through trials, and remain led by the Spirit, the Word becomes their life, producing maturity, endurance, and a deeper union with God.
    Show Notes
    1. Growth Requires Experience, Not Just Knowledge
    • Spiritual growth is essential—without it, there is no movement forward.
    • The Word must be experienced, not merely read or discussed.
    • Faith grows through real encounters with Christ in everyday life.

    2. The Word Must Become Alive Within
    • Hearing the Word is not enough—it must be imparted to the spirit.
    • The difference between “knowing about” and “knowing” God is personal experience.
    • A living Word transforms the believer from within.

    3. Relationship with God is Central
    • The goal is not information but relationship.
    • Encountering God’s presence makes the Word real and personal.
    • Waiting on the Lord allows the Word to become life.

    4. The Spirit Over the Mind
    • True understanding comes through the spirit, not the intellect.
    • The mind can resist or distort the Word, but the spirit receives life.
    • Being led by the Spirit defines true sonship.

    5. Endurance and Testing Produce Maturity
    • Trials and devastation are used by God to deepen relationship and growth.
    • Endurance is essential to spiritual completion.
    • Holding fast to God in difficulty draws believers closer to Him.

    6. Living as Carriers of the Word
    • Believers are called to speak a living Word that penetrates hearts.
    • The Word becomes life—what we think, speak, and live daily.
    • This life flows from a deep, Spirit-led relationship with God.

    Quote
    • “The Word must be alive. It must be living in you. It must be an experience to you.”
    • “It's not just talking about the Word… it's actually experiencing Him in a reality.”
    • “Knowing about the Word is not good enough… it’s about knowing Him.”
    • “The Word must become real to you in your own heart… otherwise you really haven’t heard it yet.”
    • “Endurance means you hold fast… and instead of pulling away, you draw closer.”

    Scriptural References
    • Romans 10 (17)“Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.”
    • Colossians 1 (27)“Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
    • Romans 8 (14)“Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.”
    • Matthew 24 (13)“He who endures to the end shall be saved.”
    • John 5 (39)“You search the Scriptures… these are they which testify of Me.”
    • John 6 (63)“The words that I speak… they are spirit, and they are life.”

    Takeaway
    The Christian walk is not about accumulating knowledge of God but about encountering Him. When believers pursue a real relationship with the Lord, allowing His Word to be imparted into their spirit, it becomes life within them. Through endurance, testing, and continual surrender, they grow into maturity—living not by the mind, but by the Spirit—and becoming vessels through which the living Word flows to others.
    10 min
  • Breaking Bonds to find the Real God
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    Summary
    This conversation centers on breaking spiritual bonds—especially preconceived ideas, doctrines, and attachments—to truly know God. The speakers emphasize that bonds, even those formed around God Himself, can become limitations or idols. Through testing, repentance, and even devastation, believers are refined into a deeper, more authentic relationship with God. True knowing of God comes not through comfort or fixed beliefs, but through surrender, transformation, and continual turning toward Him.
    Show Notes
    1. The Nature of Bonds
    • Human nature seeks attachment—to people, doctrines, and systems
    • These bonds can become spiritual limitations
    • Even religious structures (denominations, worship styles) can restrict knowing God

    2. Bonds Can Become Idols
    • Anything we cling to for identity or security can replace God
    • A fixed concept of God can actually block deeper revelation
    • True relationship requires freedom from these attachments

    3. Breaking Bonds to Find God
    • We must let go of ourideaof God to truly know Him
    • Questioning our foundation is necessary—not rejecting God, but refining understanding
    • Fear of losing what we “know” about God reveals hidden bondage

    4. Testing Our Relationship with God
    • Are we willing to have our beliefs shaken?
    • Resistance to change or correction reveals spiritual bondage
    • A real relationship with God can withstand testing

    5. Devastation as a Path to Revelation
    • God often uses hardship more than blessing to reveal Himself
    • Devastation strips away false foundations
    • Through this process, we see God’s love more clearly

    6. Repentance and Turning to God
    • Repentance is not just sorrow—it’s turning fully to God
    • God becomes the answer—not circumstances or emotions
    • His reassurance builds trust: “I’m still here”

    7. Becoming God’s Workmanship
    • God forms His nature within us through repeated dealings
    • His love and heart are woven into us over time
    • This process creates a deep determination to walk with Him

    8. Walking Through Failure and Restoration
    • Failure is part of the journey
    • God remains present through mistakes and confusion
    • Like Peter, restoration comes through love and renewed calling

    Key Quotes
    • “Bonds are death… you don’t bond—you become alive in Him.”
    • “The problem with bonds is that they become an idol.”
    • “You have to break bonds with God in order to find God.”
    • “Are you afraid of losing your security… can you let the Lord shake it?”
    • “Through devastation, we come to know God in a greater way.”
    • “Let God be your answer—not circumstances.”
    • “I’m still here… you’re just not where you should be.”
    • “Out of devastation, we’ll find God.”
    • “Are you going to make mistakes? Absolutely… but God’s with you through it.”

    Scriptural References
    • Exodus 20 (3–5)Idolatry and placing anything before God
    • Isaiah 55 (8–9)God’s ways higher than our understanding
    • Hebrews 12 (6–11)God disciplines those He loves
    • James 1 (2–4)Trials produce maturity
    • Romans 12 (2)Transformation through renewed thinking
    • John 21 (15–17)Jesus restoring Peter (“Do you love Me?”)
    • Proverbs 3 (11–12)The Lord corrects those He loves
    • Philippians 3 (8–10)Letting go of all to know Christ

    Takeaway
    To truly know God, you must be willing to let go of everything you think you know about Him. Bonds—whether to doctrine, experience, or identity—can quietly replace relationship. God uses testing, shaking, and even devastation to strip away what is false so that what is real can emerge. In that process, you discover that He has never left—and that kwnoing Him is a continual, living journey, not a fixed conclusion.
    12 min
  • When Everything is Shaken – Finding a Real Relationship With God
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    Summary
    This conversation explores how God allows seasons of shaking, testing, and even loss to move believers beyond dependence on security and into a deep, personal relationship with Him. Through trials, God reveals what is truly in the heart and draws His people into a genuine, Spirit-led walk where they hear His voice, know Him intimately, and remain steadfast regardless of circumstances.
    Show Notes
    1. Recognizing the Voice of God
    • There is a clear difference between hearing words spoken intellectually and hearing words spoken by the Spirit.
    • A true relationship with God brings discernment—believers recognize when something is not from Him.
    • God is raising sensitivity to His voice and presence.

    2. The Need for a Firm Spiritual Foundation
    • Even a slight deviation from the Lord can lead away from truth.
    • A consistent focus on God is essential to stay aligned with Him.
    • The relationship with God is ongoing—there is always “more.”

    3. Pursuing God with the Whole Heart
    • The desire to fully know God goes beyond words—it requires lived experience.
    • True pursuit brings transformation, not just understanding.
    • “Where the rubber meets the road” is in daily walking it out.

    4. Letting Go of False Security
    • Many pursue God out of a need for security rather than relationship.
    • God often removes those securities to reveal Himself.
    • True knowing of God comes when natural supports are stripped away.

    5. The Journey of Job: Testing and Revelation
    • Job’s life illustrates how God allows testing to reveal genuine faith.
    • The removal of protection exposed the depth of Job’s relationship with God.
    • Through devastation, Job encountered a deeper revelation of God.

    6. Testing Produces Endurance and Dedication
    • Trials develop endurance, faith, and unwavering commitment.
    • God uses testing to form something real and lasting in believers.
    • True devotion is proven when everything else is shaken.

    7. Revelation Comes Through Relationship
    • God reveals Himself more deeply through seasons of testing.
    • Familiar words take on new meaning after experience with God.
    • The foundation of the Body of Christ is revelation from the Father—not knowledge alone.

    8. Hearing God Personally
    • Christianity is not meant to be secondhand—it is relational and direct.
    • Each believer must hear God personally.
    • The goal is a real, living relationship with Him.

    Quotes
    • “You recognize immediately—that’s not God—when it’s not spoken by the Spirit.”
    • “Without that foundation in the Lord, everything can be just slightly off.”
    • “We’re running after Him—we want to know Him with our whole being.”
    • “God is not about providing security—He removes it so we can know Him.”
    • “Only when everything is shaken do we discover what’s really in our hearts.”
    • “Job would go through anything—but he would not reject God.”
    • “Revelation comes alive through the experience of walking through the test.”
    • “We have to hear from God—it has to be real.”

    Scriptural References
    • Job – The testing of Job and his deeper revelation of God
    • Romans 5(3–4) Tribulation produces perseverance, character, and hope
    • Hebrews 12 (26–27) Everything that can be shaken will be shaken
    • Matthew 16 (16–18) Revelation from the Father as the foundation of the Church
    • James 1 (2–4) Testing of faith produces endurance
    • Philippians 3 (10) “That I may know Him…”

    Takeaway
    God allows everything that can be shaken to be shaken—not to destroy us, but to remove false security and bring us into a real, unshakable relationship with Him. In the end, it’s not about what we have, what we know, or what we rely on—it’s about truly knowing God and hearing His voice for ourselves.
    9 min
  • Trusting Christ Within – The Path to Oneness
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    Summary
    This episode centers on the call to fully trust Christ within and enter into a place of rest, where believers stop striving and begin relying on the Spirit of God in them. Through testing and difficult situations, God is proving and deepening that trust, teaching believers to surrender control and recognize His sovereignty in every circumstance.
    The conversation also reveals that this walk is not meant to be lived alone. The Body of Christ functions as a living organism, where members support one another through trials. True oneness is not something manufactured by human effort—it is a spiritual reality imparted by God, unfolding within His people as they yield to Him.
    Ultimately, the message emphasizes that transformation, unity, and guidance come from Christ within, not from human reasoning or effort, leading believers into a deeper experience of oneness with God and each other.
    Show Notes
     
    • Trust is being tested
      • God is proving whether believers truly trust Him in all circumstances
      • Spiritual growth comes through testing and endurance

  • Rest in Christ within
    • Stop striving, second-guessing, and relying on self
    • Trust that Christ within knows what to do and say

  • God is in control
    • Even when situations feel overwhelming or unclear
    • Trust must remain even when there is no visible answer

  • The Body is essential
    • Believers are not meant to walk alone
    • The Body functions together in suffering and support

  • The Body is an organism, not an organization
    • Connected directly to Christ as the Head
    • Operates by the Spirit, not human systems

  • Oneness is imparted, not created
    • It comes from God through a living word
    • It unfolds within believers, not produced by effort

  • Transformation happens by the Spirit
    • Not through discipline or self-effort
    • Through yielding, waiting, and listening to God


    Quotes
    • “Be still and let God be God… trust that what you're going through, God is aware of it.”
    • “Throw all your weight on Christ in you… and quit second guessing yourself.”
    • “Do you really trust Me, even when you can’t stand?”
    • “You’re not supposed to deal with it alone… this is a body function.”
    • “The body is not an organization… it’s an organism connected to the Head.”
    • “Oneness had nothing to do with us… it was an impartation from the Lord.”
    • “You are not going to figure this out… it’s Christ in you.”

    Scriptural References
    • Psalm 46 (10)“Be still, and know that I am God”
    • Galatians 2 (20)“Christ lives in me”
    • Colossians 1 (27)“Christ in you, the hope of glory”
    • John 17 (21)That they may be one as the Father and Son are one
    • 1 Corinthians 12 (26)If one member suffers, all suffer together
    • Ephesians 4 (15–16)Christ as the Head, the Body joined together
    • Hebrews 4 (9–10)Entering into His rest
    • Ephesians 5 (21)Submitting to one another in the fear of God

    Takeaway
    True spiritual maturity comes when we stop striving and fully trust Christ within us, allowing Him to lead, speak, and act through our lives. This trust is proven through testing, strengthened in surrender, and expressed through a living connection with the Body of Christ. As we yield to the Spirit, oneness with God and one another naturally unfolds—not by effort, but by His life within us.
    10 min
  • Predestined to Walk in the Fullness of God
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    Summary
    This conversation explores the progression of God’s purpose for believers—from being predestined in Christ to ultimately being glorified and walking in the fullness of God. The speakers emphasize that the Kingdom of God requires a spiritual determination, a “violence of spirit,” that refuses to remain on a lower level of life and presses into the presence and purposes of God.
    Romans 8 is presented as a key passage revealing that God’s work of salvation—from foreknowledge to glorification—is spoken of in past tense. Believers are called to be conformed to the image of Christ in spirit, soul, and body, not merely experiencing inward redemption but moving toward a full expression of Christ’s life.
    The conversation highlights that this fulfillment is not meant to occur through isolated spiritual individuals but through a corporate Body of believers functioning together in love and unity. As the Body of Christ grows into maturity, faith becomes collective—where one member’s strength supports another. Through this unity, the life of Christ can be manifested more fully.
    Ultimately, the speakers point to a time when the glory of God will be revealed through His people. As believers step into their identity as sons of God and walk in the fullness of Christ’s life, creation itself will experience freedom through the revealing of God’s children.
    Show Notes
    Pressing Into the Kingdom
    • The Kingdom of God advances through spiritual determination and pursuit.
    • Believers must shake themselves free from spiritual ruts and press into the presence of the Lord.
    • The call is to rise to the level where Christ is and dwell in the Father’s presence.

    Conformed to the Image of Christ
    • Romans 8 reveals that believers are predestined to become like Christ.
    • This transformation involves the whole person—spirit, soul, and body.
    • The life of Christ is meant to be manifested through believers.

    A Corporate Fulfillment
    • God’s ultimate purpose is not fulfilled through one spiritual hero.
    • The fulfillment of Scripture requires a family of believers walking together in love.
    • The Body of Christ functions collectively, with shared faith and mutual support.

    The Atmosphere God Has Been Waiting For
    • Love, humility, and service toward one another create the environment where God’s purposes can unfold.
    • Laying aside self allows the Body to move together into the fulfillment of God’s promises.

    The Hope of His Coming
    • The coming of Christ is not only future but is also being completed within His people.
    • Persistent faith and prayer bring the manifestation of what God has spoken.

    Refusing a Lesser Level
    • Believers are called to refuse living on a lower spiritual plane.
    • The “violence of spirit” is a determination to walk in the level God intends.

    The Glory Revealed Through the Sons of God
    • Romans 8 reveals that creation itself awaits the revealing of the sons of God.
    • As believers step into their identity and glorification, creation experiences freedom.

    Key Quotes
    Mike:
    “Sometimes we just gotta shake ourselves loose in the spirit and go after things in the Lord.”
    Trisha:
    “We are predestined from Romans eight to be conformed to the image of Christ… spirit, soul, and body.”
    Roger:
    “It cannot be fulfilled except in a family of people who really have given their lives one to another, to love each other.”
    Ken:
    “We refuse to live on a lesser plane, a lesser level, but insist on being where God is bringing forth His people.”
    Roger:
    “Where we're lacking, one is lacking faith that's made up for by somebody else's faith that we can go on into the fullness of God.”
    Mike:
    “If we've been glorified, then creation is set free to come into the glory of the sons of God.”
    Scriptural References
    • Matthew 11 (12)“The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.”
    • John 14 (2–3)“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places… that where I am, there you may be also.”
    • Romans 8 (28–30)Predestined, called, justified, and glorified.
    • Romans 8 (19–21)Creation waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
    • Malachi 4 (2)“You will go out leaping like calves released from the stall.”
    • John 9 (1–3)The blind man healed so that the works of God might be displayed.
    • Luke 18 (1–8)The persistent widow before the unjust judge.
    • 1 Thessalonians 5 (23)“May your spirit and soul and body be kept blameless.”

    Takeaway
    God’s purpose for His people moves from predestination to glorification, forming a corporate Body that reflects the life of Christ. This fulfillment does not come through isolated individuals but through a unified people walking in love, faith, and determination. As believers press into the fullness of God and become conformed to Christ in spirit, soul, and body, the glory of God is revealed through them—and creation itself begins to experience freedom.
    11 min
  • Growing Into Sonship Through God’s Love and Discipline
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    Summary
    This conversation reveals that true sonship is formed through a deep relationship with God expressed in both His love and His discipline. While many understand God’s love as comfort and affection, the speakers emphasize that His love is most powerfully revealed through refinement, correction, and personal dealings.
    As believers draw near to God in worship and surrender, He responds not only with comfort, but with transformation—shaping the heart, mind, and nature into His likeness. This process often involves trials, testing, and discipline, which are not signs of rejection, but evidence of acceptance as sons.
    Sonship is not automatic—it is a choice to walk with God through whatever He allows, trusting that every experience is designed for growth, holiness, and maturity. Over time, what once felt painful becomes understood as love, and even embraced as part of becoming fully aligned with the Father’s heart.
    Show Notes
    1. Being Set Apart and Transformed
    • Salvation is a transfer of ownership—giving your whole life to God
    • God begins actively working in the heart to bring change
    • Advancement in God always produces inner transformation

    2. Love Expressed Through Relationship
    • Worship and love deepen intimacy with God
    • As we love Him, we become more aware of His love
    • Relationship is cultivated through ongoing communion with the Father

    3. God’s Love Through Discipline
    • God’s response to closeness is refinement, not just comfort
    • Discipline is aimed at making us partakers of His holiness
    • Each person’s process is uniquely “tailor-made” by God

    4. The Path of Sonship Is a Choice
    • God does not force sonship—He invites it
    • Walking as a son requires accepting discipline
    • Growth depends on how far we choose to walk with Him

    5. Learning to Embrace Trials
    • Trials and testing are opportunities for growth
    • Thankfulness in difficulty accelerates maturity
    • Looking back reveals God’s purpose in every hardship

    6. The Fire of God as Love
    • God’s fire refines and cleanses those who love Him
    • Judgment becomes purification for those who receive Him
    • His love removes what is not like Him

    7. Trusting the Father’s Process
    • Trust is foundational to enduring discipline
    • Spiritual maturity produces rest in difficult circumstances
    • God uses every situation to reveal His love and build faith

    8. Becoming the Bride and Sons of God
    • God’s love is relational and purposeful
    • We are being formed into a people aligned with His heart
    • Sonship and relationship lead into union with Christ

    Key Quotes
    • “As God thrusts us into a new level, it brings about a change in our heart.” — Dale
    • “The more we love Him, the more we experience His love.” — Ken
    • “When you draw near to God, His response is to discipline you.” — Ron
    • “He disciplines us so we can be partakers of His holiness.” — Ron
    • “The fire is His love… it’s refining and cleansing.” — Lois
    • “If you want to be a son, you’ve got to accept His discipline.” — Debbie
    • “He’ll walk with you as far as you want to walk.” — Ron
    • “Learn to thank Him in the trial.” — Ken
    • “There is a trust and rest because you know who you have believed.” — Ron

    Scriptural References
    • Hebrews 12 (6, 10–11)“He disciplines every son whom He receives… that we may share His holiness.”
    • Hebrews 12 (7)“Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children.”
    • James 1 (2–4)Trials produce endurance and maturity
    • Romans 8 (14–17)Sons of God are led by the Spirit
    • Romans 8 (28–29)All things work together for good… conformed to His image
    • Psalm 23 (4)“Though I walk through the valley… I will fear no evil”
    • Galatians 3 (28)New creation identity in Christ
    • 1 Peter 4 (17)Judgment begins at the house of God
    • Hebrews 3 (14)“If we hold firmly… we share in Christ”

    Takeaway
    God’s love is not just something we feel—it is something that transforms us.
    If you truly want to grow into sonship, you must embrace both His love and His discipline. The very things that feel difficult are often the clearest evidence that He is working in you.
    ? Sonship is a choice:
    To trust Him.
    To walk with Him.
    To thank Him—even in the fire.
    Because in the end, every trial is shaping you into His image—and drawing you deeper into His heart.
    13 min

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