Live Behind The Veil

Summary

This conversation explores the end of fixed ministry roles and the emergence of a fluid, Spirit-led divine order centered entirely in the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Rather than assigning titles such as apostle, prophet, pastor, or teacher through human designation, the discussion emphasizes that Christ Himself manifests through His body as needed, moment by moment, by the Holy Spirit.

Rigid structures often limit spiritual flow, while humility, flexibility, and recognition of Christ in one another allow true divine order to function. Jesus modeled the fullness of ministry, showing that ministry is not a position to hold but Christ to be lived.

Show Notes

Key Quotes

Scriptural References

Ephesians 4:11–13– Gifts given for the building up of the body

1 Corinthians 12:4–7– Different functions, same Spirit

1 Corinthians 12:27–31– The body functioning together

Colossians 1:27– Christ in you, the hope of glory

John 10:11– Jesus as the Good Shepherd

Matthew 11:28– Evangelistic invitation of Christ

John 4:7–26– Jesus flowing prophetically with the woman at the well

Genesis 1:26– Humanity created with full divine potential

2 Corinthians 3:17– Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom

Takeaway

True divine order flows from Christ living and speaking through His people. When believers remain humble, flexible, and Spirit-led, ministry becomes a natural expression of love rather than a structured role. As we let go of fixed identities and embrace union with Christ, the body functions in freedom, maturity, and life. Speak Christ. Live Christ. Let Him flow.

When Striving Ceases and Christ Remains explores the paradox of spiritual rest—how God continues His deep, transforming work in us even as our own striving comes to an end. True rest is not the absence of God’s dealings but the assurance that what He began, He will complete. As self is crucified and Christ is formed within, believers learn to trust the process, rest in God’s faithfulness, and walk together as one body. This rest is rooted in trust, impartation, and living from Christ’s life rather than our own effort.

True rest is not found by striving harder, knowing more, or doing more—it is found in trusting that Christ is faithfully completing His work within us. As our effort ceases, Christ remains. In that place of rest, transformation continues, life is imparted, and we learn to live not from ourselves, but from Him—together, as one body.

This episode reveals how God uses the fire of His Spirit to purify and perfect His sons. Through trials, sufferings, and divine fire, believers are transformed into His likeness. The conversation unfolds the purpose behind life’s fiery experiences—showing that they are not punishment, but God’s refining process. The speakers emphasize that holiness, sanctification, and spiritual maturity come only through the fire of God’s presence. As the chaff is burned away, what remains is purity, gold, and the image of Christ manifesting through His people.

Show Notes

Quotes

Scriptural References

Hebrews 12:29 – “For our God is a consuming fire.”

Matthew 3:11 – “He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”

1 Peter 4:12–13 – “Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you…”

Psalm 34:19 – “Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers him out of them all.”

Daniel 3:25–27 – The three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace—preserved by the presence of God.

Malachi 3:2–3 – “He is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap.”

Romans 8:37 – “In all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.”

2 Corinthians 3:18 – “We all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image.”

Takeaway

The fire of God is not something to fear—it is the very means by which He completes His sons. Every trial, pressure, and purifying flame removes the old nature and reveals the divine nature within. As believers yield to the process, they are being made holy, refined like gold, and prepared to stand in the fullness of His presence. The fire that once burned to cleanse will soon burn through them to bring His Kingdom to earth.

Not by the Ear, but by the Spirit centers on learning to hear the voice of the Lord beyond human reasoning, preference, or intellect. The speakers emphasize that true hearing comes by the Holy Spirit and is confirmed inwardly and corporately through the many-membered body of Christ. God speaks through many channels—Scripture, family, songs, children, circumstances, and the presence carried by believers—but His voice always resonates with the spirit, not merely the mind. This conversation calls believers to remain open, discerning, and present-focused, hearing what God is saying now, walking in divine order, and submitting every thought, word, and action under the lordship of Christ.

Hearing God is not a matter of preference, intellect, or familiarity—it is a matter of spiritual resonance and submission. The Lord is speaking today, and discerning His voice requires a yielded heart, a renewed mind, and openness to confirmation through the body of Christ. As we walk in the Spirit, Christ comes forth in us, our presence carries life, and we move from knowing about God to truly knowing Him. The question remains for each of us: Are we hearing what God is speaking to our spirits right now?

“Aggressive Submission: The Path to Kingdom Authority” explores the foundational truth that spiritual authority flows directly from submission—first to God, and then to Christ expressed within His body. Authority is not something we seize, claim, or declare independently; it is released through a mature, intentional, and ongoing surrender of our will to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

The discussion emphasizes that true submission is not passive or coerced but aggressive—a deliberate choosing of obedience, accountability, and alignment with God’s order. As believers mature, they become personally responsible for maintaining submission in spirit, resisting individualism, and remaining connected to the body of Christ. This shared submission creates a pure spiritual atmosphere where Christ’s authority moves through His people as one, establishing His kingdom on the earth.

• Authority is given by God and expressed through obedience to what He speaks to our hearts

• Submission is progressive; deeper submission brings greater authority

• Christ Himself modeled aggressive submission to the Father

• Submission is relational and lived out within the body of Christ

• Spiritual maturity requires personal responsibility for one’s spirit

• Authority in the Kingdom is ordered, not equal

• Revelation must be confirmed within the body

• Apostolic and fivefold ministries equip the saints

• A pure spiritual atmosphere is formed through shared submission

• God is bringing His people into chosen maturity

Luke 22-42  “Not My will, but Yours be done”

Ephesians 4-11to13  Fivefold ministry equipping the saints toward maturity

Matthew 16-16 to19  Revelation as the foundation of the Ecclesia

Judges 21-25 – Every man doing what is right in his own eyes

1 Corinthians 14-29 – Confirmation through two or three witnesses

1 Corinthians 15-24 to 28 – Christ submitting all things to the Father

Kingdom authority is not claimed—it is carried. It rests on a life that is aggressively submitted to God, grounded in relationship, confirmed within the body, and governed by Christ’s Lordship. As believers mature, submission becomes a continual choice that preserves unity, creates a pure atmosphere, and allows Christ to move through His people with power and authority in the earth.

This conversation centers on holding a right spirit before God, especially when dealing with people who challenge, irritate, or disagree with us. The speakers emphasize that spiritual maturity is not about reacting from human nature but about remaining open, humble, broken, and led by the Spirit. Rather than relying on personal discernment or strong opinions, believers are called to listen, take matters to the Lord, and respond from love. God’s corrective work—though often uncomfortable—is an expression of His love, shaping His sons and daughters into His nature. True oneness, family, and spiritual growth flow from maintaining a right spirit before Him.

• God often speaks through people who rub us the wrong way

• Keeping a right spirit is a continual surrender to the Lord

• Not everything spoken needs to be received—hold it before God

• Break bonds with human reactions; stay connected in the Spirit

• Strong opinions do not equal spiritual truth

• Ask the Holy Spirit what to take and what to leave

• Authority comes from recognizing the spirit behind words

• Humility, brokenness, and sensitivity are essential

• Trust the voice of the Lord over personal discernment

• Love without buying into disagreement

• God’s love includes chiseling and shaping His workmanship

• Trials refine the spirit and form Christ’s nature in us

• We are the reward of Christ’s suffering

• True fellowship produces oneness, inclusion, and spiritual flow

“The end result is I’m wrong, and He’s right.”

“You have to be able to speak through anyone to me.”

“If it’s from the Lord, the Lord’s gonna minister to you something from it.”

“Break your bonds on a human level.”

“Keep your spirit open and right before the Lord—that’s the key.”

“I don’t want to rely on discernment; I want to rely on the voice of the Lord.”

“God’s love is not human.”

“He’s gonna get the chisel out again.”

“We are the reward of His sufferings.”

“Love them and be one with the Lord on earth.”

Psalm 51:17 — A broken and contrite heart God will not despise

Matthew 7:1–5 — Removing the beam from our own eye

Ephesians 4:14–15 — Not tossed by every wind of doctrine

John 10:27 — “My sheep hear My voice”

Romans 8:29 — Being conformed to the image of His Son

Hebrews 12:6–11 — The Lord disciplines those He loves

Job 1:21–22 — Maintaining a right spirit under trial

John 17:21–23 — Oneness in Christ

Ephesians 5:26 — Washed by the Word

A right spirit before God is not automatic—it is chosen daily. When opinions clash, emotions rise, or correction comes through unexpected people, the call is the same: stay humble, stay broken, stay in His presence. God’s love is active, shaping us through every interaction and every trial. As we learn to listen without reacting, love without agreeing, and trust His voice above all else, we grow into true sonship and deeper oneness within the body of Christ.

This episode explores what it truly means to belong to God and to live as vessels of His Spirit. Drawing from Paul’s words in Corinthians, the conversation centers on the profound truth that we are the temple of God and no longer our own. True freedom comes not from external circumstances but from yielding our will to His and allowing the Holy Spirit to dwell, renew, and govern our lives.

Through shared insights, the family veils how living as God’s possession breaks the bondage of the soul-flesh nature and brings us into freedom, love, and purpose. The episode emphasizes the power of relationships within the body of Christ, the necessity of prayer for one another, and the reality that no one stands alone—we stand because others uphold us. Communion, humility, and faith become the pathways into transformation and deeper oneness in His Spirit.

• We are God’s temple.

The Holy Spirit dwells in us, not as a theological idea but as a present, active reality.

• Submission brings freedom.

Yielding our will to His produces the peace, joy, and love that true freedom is made of. God is the potter—we are the clay.

• Freedom from the soul-flesh nature

“For freedom we have been set free.” We escape bondage only by the Spirit, never by self-effort.

• We belong to Him

Accepting ourselves as His possession removes fear, doubt, and striving. It frees us to serve His purposes without burden.

• The essential ministry of the body

No one stands alone. We are upheld by each other's prayers, love, and intercession. Every believer has a ministry of love and edification.

• Communion as transformation

We partake of His body and blood not as ritual, but with sincerity, inviting His nature into our present circumstances.

• Praying for one another

A many-membered body comes forth because each part ministers in love, purity, and covering.

• “We are His possession—and in that possession is our freedom.”

• “You don’t stand by your strength; you stand by other people’s prayers.”

• “He is the potter; we are the clay. Our freedom is in yielding.”

• “Freedom is peace, joy, and love. That’s the freedom the Holy Spirit brings.”

• “You come to communion not to solve problems, but to change—to appropriate His nature.”

• “We are enthroned upon the prayers of one another.”

• “No one comes forth unless someone prays for them.”

• 1 Corinthians 3:16 – You are the temple of God.

• 1 Corinthians 6:19–20 – You are not your own; glorify God in your body.

• Galatians 5:1 – For freedom we have been set free.

• Zechariah 4:6 – Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit.

• Romans 9:21 – The potter and the clay.

• Revelation 12:11 – Overcoming by the blood of the Lamb.

• Ephesians 4:11–16 – The body of Christ functioning in love.

To live as God’s possession is to live in freedom. Freedom comes not from striving or self-effort, but from yielding—allowing Him to work in and through us. As temples of His Spirit, we walk free from the soul-flesh nature when we surrender to His will. And we do not walk this out alone. We stand because others pray for us, love us, and uphold us.

Life in God’s family means we belong—to Him and to one another. In that place of surrender and mutual covering, the Lord is free to move through His people.

Summary

This podcast explores how God uses the baptism of fire to transform believers from merely human reactions into the expression of His divine nature. Through trials, discipline, and surrender, the Lord burns away dross, purifies the heart, and brings His people into deeper realms of peace, joy, and freedom. As we submit to His dealings, Christ Himself perfects us, creating a pure bride who responds to every situation out of His nature rather than the soul. This process leads us level by level into maturity, oneness, and fruitful participation in the life of God.

Show Notes

Key Quotes

Scriptural References

1.Malachi 3:2–3 The refiner’s fire purifying His people

2.Daniel 3:16–25 The three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace

3.Hebrews 12:6–11 Whom the Lord loves, He disciplines

4.Isaiah 53:7 Christ as a lamb before His shearers

5.John 4:23–24 Worshiping in spirit and in truth

6.Ephesians 2:10 We are His workmanship

7.1 Corinthians 10:13 God provides a way of escape

8.2 Peter 1:3–8 Becoming partakers of the divine nature

9.Romans 8:29 Conformed to the image of His Son

Takeaway

God’s purpose is not to improve our human response but to replace it with His divine nature. Through the fire of His dealings, He lovingly removes what cannot remain and forms Christ within us. As we submit to His process, we move from level to level, bearing fruit, walking in peace, and responding to life out of His heart rather than our own. This is how God prepares a spotless bride and brings His people into true oneness in Christ.

Summary

The discussion focuses on becoming living epistles—believers whose lives and words embody the living Christ. Using the parable of the wise and foolish virgins as a foundation, the speakers emphasize that maintaining the oil of the Spirit is essential to engage with the Bridegroom. True transformation and ministry flow not from intellect or revelation alone, but from impartation—the living Word of Christ spoken through a heart filled with the Holy Spirit. The group also reflects on building upon the true foundation of Christ, allowing the Spirit—not human leadership—to guide this maturing movement. The conversation concludes with an acknowledgment of God’s love, grace, and free will given to all, highlighting that every person is being drawn to deeper relationship and maturity in Him.

Show Notes

• The parable of the five wise and five foolish virgins illustrates spiritual readiness through maintaining the anointing (oil).

• Revelation is valuable, but the goal is relationship and impartation, not just knowledge.

• Living epistles are those who speak Christ—their words create, impart, and transform.

• The true Word of the Lord brings fruit; if no fruit appears, it’s time for growth, not condemnation.

• Foundation in Christ remains essential—believers must build upon it, not start over.

• The movement today is leaderless in human terms but guided by the Spirit of Christ, the true Apostle and Head.

• As each person matures, roles shift—sometimes shepherd, sometimes sheep—all under grace.

• Even those focused on basic salvation messages have their purpose in God’s plan.

• Spiritual growth comes through hunger and choice—a willingness to move beyond the familiar.

• God’s plan is inclusive—He gives everyone opportunity to come into the knowledge of the Lord.

• We are living in the day of impartation, where transformation happens through the Spirit’s presence and spoken Word.

Quotes

• “Without the oil—the anointing, the Holy Spirit—there’s no connection.” — Ken

• “The true living epistles aren’t revelators or expositors. They are those who speak Christ in the earth.” — Ron

• “If a true living epistle speaks to you, you’re going to change if your heart’s open.” — Ron

• “Be careful how you build on that foundation.” — Ken (quoting Paul)

• “We’re leaning on the Spirit to lead us. The true apostle is Christ Himself, the Head.” — Mike

• “It’s because we’re solid in that foundation that we can go higher in revelation.” — Lois

• “Every heart has to decide—am I hungry enough to seek out something different?” — Ron

• “This is the day of Spirit—the year of Spirit—we are there.” — Ken

Scriptural References

• Matthew 25:1–13 — The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins; keeping oil (the Spirit) to engage the Bridegroom.

• 2 Corinthians 3:2–3 — You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men... written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God.

• John 6:63 — The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

• 1 Corinthians 3:10–11 — Each one must be careful how he builds... For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

• Romans 8:14 — For all who are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God.

• 1 Thessalonians 2:13 — The Word works effectively in those who believe.

• Isaiah 55:11 — My word... shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish what I please.

• Revelation 3:20 — Christ standing at the door, knocking—inviting deeper engagement.

Takeaway

Every believer is called to become a living epistle—a vessel of the Spirit whose words and actions manifest Christ’s creative life in the earth. Revelation, study, and teaching all have value, but the goal is to speak the living Word that brings transformation. The Spirit is leading a new, leaderless movement rooted in the lordship of Christ, where each believer learns to build upon the true foundation and impart life to others. This is the day of impartation, the time when God’s people move from knowledge to manifestation, from hearing about Him to becoming the expression of His Word in the world.

Summary

This episode explores the essential process of spiritual growth for new believers and the importance of being integrated into a living, functioning Body of Christ. The speakers emphasize that Christianity is not an individual journey but a shared walk where believers are brought into oneness, trained to wait on the Lord, and taught by impartation—not just teaching. Small groups, relationships, and spiritual family dynamics are highlighted as the key environment where believers mature, learn to hear God, and develop genuine oneness in the Spirit. The episode stresses the supernatural nature of the Body of Christ and the deep need for relationship, impartation, and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Show Notes

Quotes

Scriptural References

1 Corinthians 12:18 — God sets members in the Body as it pleases Him.

Ephesians 4:15–16 — Every joint supplies; oneness in the Body.

Acts 2:42–47 — Early church fellowship and impartation.

Romans 12:4–5 — Many members, one Body.

John 14:26 — The Holy Spirit teaches all things.

Psalm 27:14 — Wait on the Lord.

Takeaway

Real spiritual growth comes through being set into the Body by God, walking in oneness, and receiving impartation in a safe spiritual family—not through individualism or busyness. New believers mature as they learn to wait on the Lord and open their hearts to God and one another.