Live Behind The Veil

SHOW NOTES:

• When a believer begins to reach into sonship and wants to grow in his spirit, he begins to hear about the fire.

• The refining fire that the Holy Spirit brings on a believer who is seeking to move beyond the salvation experience at first may seem to be more on a soulish level than in a person's spirit.

• A relatively new Christian can begin moving in the gifts or speaking in tongues and become excited about areas he is moving in, but it may really be mostly the expression of the soul.

• John the Baptist emphasized that Jesus was coming to baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire, which was superior to the baptism that John had ministered.

• As the Lord begins to put the cross or the fire to a person's life, he feels very uncomfortable and may even try to back out of the pressure on his circumstances.

• There comes a point in a person's life where he realizes he has an Adamic nature that God is trying to refine out of him.

QUOTATIONS:

• I think one of the things we're looking at in the restoration, and salvation, and then the baptism of the Holy Spirit, is many people went off on a soulish realm to the degree that they thought the soulish realm was the anointing. And it was not.

• I don't think the understanding was there on what “the fire” meant.

• I don't think I ever realized we were born with chaff. I always felt like chaff came as a development as we grew up, and that's not true.

• A part of the old nature was called chaff, and the chaff had to be burned off. It couldn't remain if we were going to come into the presence of a holy God.

• You have to realize too that God doesn't technically put the fire on us. We are beaten, and that is how you get rid of the chaff. You're beaten, and then it is thrown in the air, and the wind takes it off. But then when it is done, to make sure the chaff is gone, they pick it up and burn it.

• God wants to perfect His people-- body, soul, and spirit. There are stages and times when God deals with us; we don't just stop at the initial experience of salvation.

• I think there's a carefulness, when you talk about the different levels of Christianity. We can become judges, and that is not good. We must let God be the judge, and that judgment can take you out of the game, because God will not allow you to be the judge.

• I think there is a calling for the ones that want to go on with the Lord and allow Him to burn off all the chaff, all of the soul-level stuff that we've lived with all of our lives.

REFERENCES:

Malachi 3:3 He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.

I Corinthians 14:12 So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts seek to abound for the edification of the church.

Matthew 3:11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Matthew 3:12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matthew 3:5-6 Jesus answered “Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

TAKE AWAY:

As a believer yields to the purging and purifying work of God, they are filled with His divine nature. Through this transformation, they are equipped with God’s love and the qualities needed to fulfill their foreordained purpose in His Kingdom. Across the world, remnants of believers are being prepared to take their place in the unfolding growth of God’s Kingdom.

• Living Example: Ron explains that when others haven’t received the same impartation or teaching, our lives become an example of the living Word in action.
• Power of the Anointing: It’s not teaching or eloquent speech that changes people, but the Spirit of Christ working through us.
• Prepared Hearts: Ken shares how the Lord prepares hearts to receive before we ever speak; openness is key.
• Daily Readiness: Debbie emphasizes praying before every gathering, asking God to show her whom to minister to.
• Spiritual Hunger: Every person has a “hole” in their heart only God can fill—no amount of wealth or success can satisfy that longing.
• True Riches in Christ: Ken contrasts worldly wealth with the eternal riches of knowing and walking with the Lord.
• Vessels of Healing: Mike reminds us that believers are channels of healing when they speak with the right spirit.
• Imparting the Spirit: Ron stresses that impartation flows only when Christ’s anointing is real within us.
• Co-Laboring with God: Mike and Ken highlight that we work with God, speaking as He gives utterance, and allowing His presence to minister through us.
• The Power of Gathering: The group affirms that coming together in unity increases the manifestation of His Spirit.

• “You just be what the Lord’s doing now, and it imparts if they’re open.” – Ron
• “The anointing of the Lord will break people open if they’re really seeking Him.” – Ken
• “Before I go to church, I ask the Lord, ‘Show me who to talk to.’” – Debbie
• “Every person God has ever sent into this world has a hole in their heart without Him.” – Ken
• “We are vessels of healing to people who have open hearts to receive.” – Mike
• “It’s not your deep revelation—it’s the Spirit of Christ that pierces their hearts.” – Ron
• “We take the steps, we open our mouths, and He comes through speaking His Word.” – Mike
• “Sometimes you don’t even have to use words—it’s the Spirit of God that ministers from you.” – Ken

• Misunderstandings about humility—real humility involves faith, not unbelief.
• The absence of discipline in David’s family as a warning for parents and leaders.
• The difference between spiritual ambition and being led by God’s Spirit.
• The need for personal and spiritual discipline in everyday life.
• The power of combining the Word of God with the Spirit for real transformation.

• How does humility invite God to work through you?
• Are your disciplines born of love or of legalism?
• Do your ambitions build your name or God’s people?

• Humility isn’t weakness; it’s confidence that God can work through even the most ordinary vessel.
• Ambition builds followers. Humility builds people.
• Discipline isn’t legalism—it’s love in practice.
• The Word must be joined to the Spirit; revelation isn’t information—it’s communion.
• God doesn’t measure success—He measures hearts.

This episode explores the transformative power of true confession in relationships and before God. The hosts emphasize that merely confessing to God without relational accountability often leaves sin unresolved, while confessing to a trusted spouse or mentor cultivates humility, freedom, and healing. By creating a safe, non-judgmental environment, individuals can openly share their struggles, confront personal failures, and experience genuine spiritual growth. Through examples like Isaiah’s humility and David’s repentance, the discussion highlights that confession exposes the heart yet invites God’s love and restoration, ultimately preparing believers to stand confidently in His presence.

• Confession is more impactful when shared with a trusted person rather than only internally or to God in abstraction.

• Safe accountability fosters honesty, freedom, and spiritual growth.

• True humility involves acknowledging sin without rationalizing or hiding it.

• Examples: Isaiah’s immediate awareness of his sinfulness (Isaiah 6), David’s repentance after Nathan’s confrontation (2 Samuel 12).

• Confession is preparation for encountering God and deepening relational intimacy.

• Key principle: “Confess your sins to one another, that you may be healed.”

• Ron:“You can confess to the Lord in the sky all day long, and nothing happens—’cause you’re really not confessing to anybody.”

• Ed:“You should have somebody that actually can say ‘no’ to you—somebody that you can talk with and confess to without condemnation.”

• Debbie:“We have to allow that, because if we don’t, there’s no honesty. There’s no freedom to express your heart.”

• Ken: “If you can find someone who will not make an accusation against you because of what you just submitted—if they can just hear you… that is the important part.”

• Ron:“Lord, help me to be able to be humbled in your presence… If I’m unwilling in my heart to be humble, then I’m gonna be one of those that flee from your presence.”

James 5:16 “Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.”

Isaiah 6:5 Isaiah’s recognition of his unworthiness before God.

2 Samuel 12:7-14  David’s confession and repentance after Nathan’s confrontation.

John 3:19 “Men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” (on exposure and humility)

True confession is not just a spiritual formality; it’s a transformative practice that requires humility, courage, and relational trust. While it’s easier to confess sin privately or abstractly, genuine growth occurs when believers share their struggles with someone who can listen without judgment. This relational honesty mirrors our relationship with God, allowing us to confront our own failings, experience forgiveness, and cultivate a deeper intimacy with Him. Practicing this level of transparency prepares the heart to stand in God’s presence with humility and confidence.

Furthermore, confession is an act of love—both receiving and giving it. By creating a safe, non-condemning environment, believers help one another process guilt, shame, and failure without fear. Spiritual growth is fostered through accountability, not isolation; through honesty, not avoidance. Just as David’s repentance restored him, and Isaiah’s humility allowed him to serve, modern believers find freedom, healing, and readiness for God’s presence when they engage in authentic confession within trusted relationships.

INTRODUCTION:

The Father's plan is for He Himself to come and take up His abode in us. This is not a one-time experience, but it's the development of an ongoing relationship, as the Holy Spirit comes to us and leads us. It's important to develop a relationship with the Holy Spirit by opening our hearts to Him and receiving what He is saying. This voice may come from the “God in the sky” but in this day, it is more likely to come from people who know Him and love Him.

SHOW NOTES:

• Christ is teaching us to function together as we come into oneness as the body of Christ.

• Before we come into a maturity in the Lord, we try things on our own to observe what's available in the world and eventually realize it is pretty dead.

• When a new person begins to search to find life and God's love, he will most likely find help from someone in Christ's body.

• Many people say they're being led by the Holy Spirit, but they may only be led by their minds, their imaginations, their own independence.

• As believers function together, they are being built up into the head—Christ.

• Remaining open and teachable is really important so we don't miss things that the Lord is trying to impart to us.

• Even if you don't get a witness the first time you hear a word, stay open for possible confirmation.

QUOTATIONS:

• The Lord in the flesh is knocking on our door; each one of us is Christ in the flesh.

• At times you don't know where you're at, and it helps to have someone walk you into it.

• As we love one another, the Christ in us begins to create these deep relationships of trust and love in one another.

• As we go into this deep oneness of the body of Christ, as we enter into it more and more, I believe we're going to be so open to the Christ in one another, that we will have our wills crossed, and we will be taken to places that we would not.

• Someone comes up with something that you can't handle, put it on the shelf for a little bit and let the Lord deal with you on it.

• I personally do not want to close off or reject something that I either don't understand or that doesn't resonate with me at that moment.

• It's not up to you and I to do it the first time around and get them (young people) on their knees and all this stuff. We're just there to plant a seed, and somebody else comes along and waters, and God will bring forth the harvest in the right time.

REFERENCES:

Revelations 3:20

Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

John 14:26

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit,, whom the Father will send in My

name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 21:18

Truly, truly I say to you, when you were younger, you used to gird yourself and walk wherever you wished; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will gird you, and bring you where you do not wish to go.

Matthew 23:39

For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, “blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”

I Corinthians 2:9

Just as it is written, “things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, and which have not entered the heart of man, all that God has prepared for those who love Him.”

John 16:12-13

“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He,the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

Ephesians 4:15

speaking the truth in love we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ.

I Corinthians 3:7

So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.

SUMMARY:

Now is the time to expect to hear people speaking beyond their normal ability to speak. We long to hear the words of the Lord that can reveal His will for our lives. It's time to open up to a relationship with the Holy Spirit so that the communication that comes in being with members of His body goes deeper and deeper.

Summary:

• The life, ministry, and legacy of Charlie Kirk as a catalyst for transformation and unity among believers.
• Expectation of transformation as we move from glory to glory.
• Charlie’s legacy continues through those who carry his impartation.
• The importance of forgiveness, even toward those who cause pain.
• Unity and oneness as essential to revealing Christ to the world.
• A prophetic call for revival among young people, fulfilling Joel’s vision of a mighty army.