The following is a conversation with attorney Ivan Hannel Esq. Ivan joins me today reveal new information and a witness that could blow open the New Jersey drone mystery—and shatter AARO’s former Deputy Director Tim Phillips narrative. Ivan, who now represents former AATIP Director Luis Elizondo, discusses his journey into the UFO/UAP world, the legal complexities of representing one of the most famous figures in disclosure, and why Lue still needs legal protection despite no active lawsuits.We dig into the Wall Street Journal article on UFO misinformation, Ivan’s thoughts on mainstream media’s role in muddying the waters, and how UFO researchers and interested citizens are eating their time with the infighting with little benefit. A really refreshing look at how we can maximise our time focussing on solving the UAP problem, rather than wasting time caught up in the personalities.Plus so much more.Links: Ivan’s X Account: https://x.com/ivan_hannelUAP Files Instagram (main HQ): https://www.instagram.com/uap_files/Support/Donate to UAP Files/Podcast: https://coff.ee/uapfiles #UFOs #UAP #LuisElizondo #Disclosure #WSJ #NewJerseyDrones #AARO #IvanHannel #UFOInterview #UFOlawyer #uapfiles #uapfilespodcast #lueelizondo #luiselizondo #timphillips #seankirkpatrick #mickwest