Luke Swain, a football and draft betting expert who goes by Vegas Refund, joins the show for a wide ranging conversation. Highlights include:  His journey from DFS to sports betting (:45). The difference between NFL and NBA draft betting (5:56). His process for betting the NBA draft, which includes wisdom of crowds (13:05). Two NBA draft bets (18:00). How the 2024 NBA draft will go (21:39).

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