Ukraine Ambassador to South Africa, Liubov Abravitova tells Peter Bruce in this edition of Podcasts from the Edge that preparations for her President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to take a call from President Cyril Ramaphosa are afoot but, boy, is it hard getting the attention of senior figures around Ramaphosa. The sooner she gets to talk to senior members of the government and can build some context for a call with her boss in Kiev, the sooner the phone call can happen. "Both presidents need this call," she says. For Ramaphosa, that's putting it mildly. Diplomacy and cheery read-outs of calls with world leaders aside, the Europeans, especially, are furious with South Africa's tacit support for Vladimir Putin's invasion.