Drew Magary is a co-founder of the employee-owned sports and culture website Defector, as well as a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle online and the author of three novels. Drew’s life changed forever at a company holiday party in 2018 when he suffered a mysterious fall that caused him to smash his head so hard on a cement floor that he cracked his skull in three places and suffered a catastrophic brain hemorrhage. His latest work—The Night the Lights Went Out—chronicles his recovery from his injury, including understanding what his family and friends went through as he lay there dying, coming to terms with his now permanent disabilities, and trying to find some lesson in this cosmic accident.

Among other things, Drew and Carter discuss Drew’s experience co-founding a media company, how his life-altering accident impacted both his professional and personal mindset, and writing as a form of acceptance and outreach to others. At the end of their conversation, they tell a story of insight from a sentence out of The Rule of Four by Dustin Thomason and Ian Caldwell.

Connect with Carter at www.carterwilson.com

Connect with Drew at www.defector.com