Gene and Randall present a "double-header." First up is podcaster and researcher Erica Lukes joins the crew to catch up on recent developments in Ufology, and the ongoing mystery of the Skinwaker Ranch in Utah. Erica hosts a weekly show on KCOR called "UFO Classified," and, as this show was recorded, was working on a UFO/paranormal book with long-time researcher Gordon Lore. Documentary filmmaker James Fox returns to discuss his recently-competed UFO movie, "The Phenomenon," how it came to be, and its long gestation period. Gene and James also offer a few "spoilers" about the film.

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