In Part 2 - A CMO Confidential Interview with McKinsey Marketing & Sales Partner Robert Tas and Nick Primola, EVP and Head of the CMO Practice at the ANA. We discuss their recent study and Wall Street Journal article showing that CEO's who have marketing at the center of their strategy have measurably better results. They discuss the 3 types of CEO's including "non-believers" and why so many still exist, the dangers of running marketing as a cost center, and the tremendous variability of the CMO role. Key topics include: the biggest areas of misalignment; the need to connect to financial outcomes; how marketing needs to "claw it's way back;" and their belief that it is "Ludicrous to think the CMO role is going away." Listen in to hear why Business Schools are a significant part of the problem.

00:00 Welcome to CMO Confidential: Inside the World of Marketing Leadership

00:14 The Battle of Believers vs. Non-Believers in Marketing

00:19 The Role of Business Schools in Shaping Marketing Minds

02:13 Marketing's Evolution: From Traditional Roles to Tech-Savvy Professionals

04:54 The Importance of CMOs in Driving Customer-Centric Strategies

11:10 Navigating the Job Market: Advice for Aspiring CMOs

13:47 The Underrepresentation of Marketers on Corporate Boards

17:25 Practical Advice and Eye-Opening Stories from the Marketing Frontlines

20:43 Closing Thoughts and Future Episodes Preview

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