He is ANC treasurer-general and speaks about his rise to the position. The governing party will elect its new leadership at its elective conference from December 16 to 20 and Mashatile has been nominated for deputy president, along with Ronald Lamola, Mmamoloko Kubayi, Senzo Mchunu, Phumulo Masualle and Oscar Mabuyane, among others.

South Africa has been hit hard by load-shedding this year, but Mashatile said solutions are being implemented and load-shedding will end, but it needs the private sector to come on board.

The host of the special edition of the podcast is Sunday Times journalist Kgothatso Madisa, produced by Bulelani Nonyukela.

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