Hosts Fran Chismar and Tom Knezick connect with Joe Lamp'l, (TV Host, Author, Podcast Host and more) to discuss who is Joe Gardener. Topics include Joe's beginnings, how ecology has changed his personal beliefs and his projects over time, the rising awareness of native plants, influences that have helped shape the landscape, negatives in the native plant movement, and view on 'Nativars'.  Music by Egocentric Plastic Men, Outro music by Dave Bennett.

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