With Antoinette away this week, Jan Fran holds down the fort with former BBC journalist and presenter Karishma Patel. Karishma walked out of the BBC in October 2024 over its coverage of Gaza and has since become one of its loudest and most public critics.

In this episode, she and Jan dive into life inside the BBC, what finally pushed her to resign, and why she’s now taking the organisation to task in public. They unpack the slippery word “impartiality” – how it so often doubles as a muzzle for journalists who dare to prod the status quo - and ask whether it’s more effective to stay and fight from the inside or cut loose and build something different. The pair also unpack the momentum around building a new media ecosystem.

Regular programming resumes next week.

You can find Karishma on Instagram 

You can read her piece in The Independent 

You can read her piece in The Guardian

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If you want to see our mugs as we yap you can watch the episode in full here.

Thanks to @jaidanielpyne for composing the music for our podcast.

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