Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast

How can AI shape AND be shaped by the law? In this episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe welcome Kimberley Odums, Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and AI at IEEE and founder of Lawyers Learn AI, to explore the intersection of legal innovation and artificial intelligence through a futuristic lens.

What You'll Learn:

• How to position yourself as a Legal AI expert on your team by staying informed on critical AI developments

About the GuestKimberley Odums is Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and Artificial Intelligence at the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) and founder of the newsletter community Lawyers Learn AI. With a background spanning big law, nonprofit work and solo practice in trademark and brand protection, Kimberley has become a leading voice in the intersection of legal policy and AI development. Her work bridging the legal and tech communities makes her a leading voice in the rapidly evolving landscape of AI regulation and implementation.

Episode Resources

• Kimberley Odums on LinkedIn

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Are we going to see a new CXO in the boardroom - the Chief Contracting Officer? In this episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe sit down with Mark Ross, Principal at Deloitte Legal Business Services, to explore the evolution of legal technology, from early e-discovery to agentic AI.

What You'll Learn:

• How the evolution of eDiscovery created a blueprint for legal technology adoption and transformation

About the GuestMark Ross is Principal and Market Leader at Deloitte Legal Business Services, where he spearheads innovative approaches to legal department transformation. With over two decades of experience spanning from practicing law in the UK to pioneering legal outsourcing operations, Ross has been at the forefront of legal industry evolution. As a self-described "recovering attorney," he has played a pivotal role in shaping how global organizations leverage technology and alternative delivery models to optimize legal operations. His perspective on the intersection of legal operations, technology, and business strategy has helped legal professionals and business leaders navigate the rapidly evolving legal technology landscape.

Episode Resources

• Mark Ross on LinkedIn

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Join hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe as they speak with Brooks Hall, Legal Operations Manager at Human Interest, about driving AI adoption in legal departments. From gradual implementation to weekly “AI jam sessions,” Brooks reveals strategies for building trust, improving workflows, and fostering innovation. Discover how to integrate AI responsibly while maintaining oversight and efficiency.

What You'll Learn:- How to successfully implement AI tools in legal departments by starting with simple use cases and expanding gradually- Why hosting weekly "AI jam sessions" can accelerate adoption and create excitement around new solutions- Strategies for evaluating AI tools in a rapidly changing tech landscape- How to leverage existing tools before investing in new solutions, maximizing ROI on current technologies- How to bridge the gap between legal operations and HR through shared solutions- The approach to managing AI access controls and governance while expanding capabilities- Why creating bite-sized, AI-powered training videos can improve legal department efficiency- How to stay current with AI developments through diverse learning channels like podcasts, social media, and community forums

About the GuestBrooks Hall is the Legal Operations Manager, Systems and Technology at Human Interest, where she drives innovation in legal workflows by implementing cutting-edge systems and AI solutions. Since joining in 2022, she has supported the company’s mission to democratize retirement savings by making 401(k) plans more affordable, accessible, and intuitive for small and medium businesses. Prior to Human Interest, Brooks built deep expertise in intellectual property and legal operations serving as Senior Paralegal at Dexcom and Gilead Sciences, where she supported global IP strategies in healthcare and biotech. She began her career as a patent assistant at Bozicevic, Field & Francis LLP, laying the foundation for her legal operations journey. Brooks is passionate about leveraging technology to simplify legal processes and empower teams.

Episode Resources

• Brooks Hall on LinkedIn

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Welcome to Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast, brought to you by Evisort. In this episode, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe speak with Kristine Suero, Senior Paralegal and Director of Business Development at Schechter Benefits Law Group, about the evolving role of paralegals in an increasingly AI-driven legal industry, ethical considerations, and opportunities for growth in the profession.

What You'll Learn:- How paralegals can embrace AI as an assistive tool while maintaining focus on essential human skills and client relationships- Why ethical and responsible use of AI in legal workflows requires clear policies and human oversight- The framework for "future-proofing" the paralegal profession through continuous learning and technology adoption- How paralegals can create hybrid roles by combining traditional legal skills with business development and legal operations- The importance of maintaining client confidentiality and security when implementing AI tools in legal workflows- Why proper training and internal policies are crucial for responsible AI adoption in law firms- The role of paralegals as early adopters and influencers in bringing new technologies to legal teams- How to architect your own career path by identifying opportunities to add value through technology and innovation

Episode Resources

• Kristine Custodio Suero on LinkedIn

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Workday’s deployment of Evisort AI to manage 100,000 contracts yielded such strong results, they bought the company. Now, as “Customer Zero” for contract AI innovation, Workday is helping shape the future of legal technology.

In this "special edition” of “Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast,” host Hal Marcus sits down with Greg Bennett and Kristi Johnson of Workday Global Legal Services to glean hard-won lessons from their multi-year experience deploying contract AI to better support M&A analysis, revenue operations, and more. We also discuss their aspirations for the future of in-house legal services with an increasingly AI-powered workforce.

What You’ll Learn:

Co-host Memme Onwudiwe will be back with Hal in our next episode!

Episode Resources

• Greg Bennett LinkedIn

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Contracts are more than just legal documents; they’re stories of trust, risk, and negotiation. But how do you master the real-world skills that law school rarely teaches?

Welcome to “Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast.” In this episode, Hal and Memme sit down with Laura Frederick, founder of How to Contract, to explore what it takes to draft, negotiate, and manage contracts in today’s tech-driven legal world. With over 25 years of experience and a fast-growing global platform, Laura brings a human, strategic lens to commercial contracting.

From viral cartoons and daily LinkedIn posts to billion-dollar deals, Laura shares how clarity, empathy, and creativity can change the way legal professionals approach their craft and how AI can support (but never replace) that nuance.

What You’ll Learn:

Episode Resources

• Laura Frederick LinkedIn

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The future of legal services is fundamentally changing, and AI is the reason for it. So, if one is to thrive in this new world, everything must change. In the latest episode of "Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast," hosts Memme Onwudiwe and Hal Marcus welcome Bjarne Tellmann, CEO of FjordStream Advisors and an experienced General Counsel and legal consultant, to explore the transformative impact of AI on the legal profession.

What You’ll Learn:

This episode proves that winning the game of adapting is not just about how fast you do it, but about how well you do it.

Episode Resources

• Bjarne Tellmann on LinkedIn

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AI brings fear along with opportunity. When uncertainty reigns, how can you surpass the fear and come out stronger on the other side?

Welcome to “Meeting of Minds - The Legal AI Podcast.” In this episode, Hal and Memme sit with Oyango Snell, Executive Director of the Corporate Legal Operations Consortium (CLOC), to discuss his journey through the ins and outs of the legal profession and the crucial roles of legal operations and community in an increasingly AI-centric future.

What You’ll Learn:

Episode Resources

• Oyango Snell LinkedIn

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What does the intersection of HR, Legal, and AI look like? In this episode of "Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast," brought to you by Evisort, a Workday company, it takes the shape of an eye-opening conversation with LaTanya Langley - Chief Legal Officer and Chief People Officer at Edgewell Personal Care.

What You’ll Learn:

For fresh perspectives on optimizing technology and AI use in legal, building a future-ready workforce, and leading with empathy, all you need to do is listen in.

Episode Resources

• LaTanya Langley on LinkedIn

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Welcome to "Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast," brought to you by Evisort. In this episode, Memme and Hal engage with Nancy Milinkovich, Senior Legal Operations Manager at Tricentis, exploring her unique journey from the world of tech to that of legal.

Nancy shines a light on how her beginnings at the telecommunications company, Nortel Network, built a strong foundation in the realm of cutting-edge technology, exposing her to the importance of embracing and adopting disruptive tech and AI solutions, no matter the industry, as well as highlighting how skills can transfer across seemingly unrelated fields.

The “Queen of Hopping Careers” further talks about how she made her way into legal, defying the traditional through self-learning, and how her understanding of people has taken her to the top; an understanding she values above all else.

Through the course of the conversation, she also helps unpack the ins and outs of AI application in the world of legal today - the right tools to choose, how teams can and should embrace the “gray” of AI, using conversation-based programs in new ways and how different stakeholders in legal practices require different levels of technology adoption to make the entire ecosystem function smoothly!

For eye-opening insights on the AI-Legal intersection today, and how to make the most of the moment, tune into this episode now!

Get involved and tune in to this insightful episode now.

Episode Resources

• Nancy Milinkovich on LinkedIn

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