I am so nervous about this episode, because it's the one featuring me and David. We did this episode together at the end of season 1, and it's called Road Trippin. Last season, we were on a book tour, and it was time for the podcast to come out, and I didn't have anybody to interview. David and I were on the road, so we decided to record a podcast of us just chatting together on our journey. I hated this episode, because I thought it turned out terrible. It turned out that people loved that episode with just me and David. We were talking about fast food before we pulled in and got it, talking, fighting, and just driving.

Since that episode was received so well, we decided that we would do some episodes with just David and I talking. These episodes will be spread out through season 3. For some reason, I'm a nervous wreck about this. I don't know why. We talk all the time. We even do a Facebook Live and Instagram Monday through Friday at 9:00 am. We don't have a clue what we're going to talk about, and we still do fine on that. We're just such different people, and I never know how these things are going to turn out. I wish you listeners could see what this moment looks like.

David is prepared is dressed for the day. He is wearing a button down shirt, nice shoes, and his glasses. He also has drinks in case he gets thirsty during the show and he's wearing headphones. I'm still in my nightgown with a sweatshirt and cozy socks. This August we celebrated 25 years of marriage. We went to a matinee and Logan's Roadhouse.

David did want to remind me that two years ago, we went to Maui, but I guess the thing that makes me nervous about this episode is just that. The mundane nature of our marriage. We are so normal, and I wonder if people want to hear what we have to share or if they want to hear from couples that have it all figured out. If you remember from a couple of episodes ago, we had Jeff and Beth McCord on to talk about their Enneagram couples course. Today, we talk about the couple's course, our Enneagram numbers, the direction of the podcast, and we have a little fun.

Show Notes:

• [07:40] This August we celebrated 25 years of marriage. We went to a matinee and Logan's Roadhouse. David did want to remind me that two years ago, we did go to Maui.
• [08:15] Melissa's dream vacations are going to Scotland and Ireland.
• [09:49] We may not have it all together, but we're making progress.
• [10:52] We are really diving into Beth and Jeff McCord's Enneagram couple's study. David is a 3 and Melissa is a 7. These two together, when healthy, can be quite dynamic.
• [13:59] It's important and eye opening to know and understand each other's Enneagram numbers.
• [15:00] There's nothing Remi and her future spouse can go through that we haven't.
• [16:32] I began this season talking about my emotional health. David went with me to my counseling session. I thought that was really kind of him. As a 7 that really helped me, but as a 3 I'm surprised he did it.
• [18:11] David didn't want to see Melissa hurting, but he wants to look like he has it all together.
• [18:51] If you love your spouse dearly, but you feel like you can't get on the same page read Becoming Us.
• [19:55] These principles can be applied in other relationships, not just marriage.
• [23:02] Knowing people's numbers helps make us more compassionate, and we could all use more compassion in our lives.
• [26:00] The most offensive word to David is average. Seven's don't talk about the way they feel a lot.
• [28:51] Knowing people's number explains why they do things.
• [31:50] Seven's are known as entertaining optimists who live life big, but have a fear of being limited, bored, or trapped.
• [32:28] The core longing is to be taken care of.
• [33:06] Melissa didn't feel safe and was unsure of what was next. She needs her world to be stable.
• [34:25] We as a society have a long way to go with mental health. Every single person needs to be aware of their mental health.
• [37:34] Being aware of our mental health will leave the door open for others who are having problems to talk about it.
• [39:47] The rest of the season is going to be really great. We'll be talking about addiction, divorce, and there will be sporadic episodes with us talking.

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