Businesswoman and philanthropist Melinda Gates on James Baraz's Awakening Joy, spirituality, and the books that come into our lives later — and put everything into perspective.

To learn more about the books we discussed in this episode, check out Ghost Wall by Sarah Moss, The Moment of Liftby Melinda Gates, Are You There God? It's Me, Margaretby Judy Blume, Awakening Joyby James Baraz, and The Book of Awakeningby Mark Nepo.

You can find transcripts of this episode and past ones on LitHub.

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