In this episode, Tony sits down with Steven M. Bell, author of The Thinning Veil, to explore why modern UAP and orb encounters may have far deeper spiritual roots than most people realize. Steven explains how historic events like Fatima and other well-documented miracles mirror today’s disclosure narrative, suggesting these phenomena are interdimensional rather than extraterrestrial. He shares personal experiences from childhood and adulthood that shaped his belief that the veil between realms is thinning. The conversation turns toward spiritual warfare, discernment, and the danger of engaging the phenomenon without understanding its source. He emphasizes that not every encounter is neutral and that curiosity without grounding can lead to deception. Ultimately, this episode reframes disclosure as a spiritual crossroads, one that either pulls people away or points them directly to Christ.

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