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In this episode, we look at an email from a listener and we attempt to define what exactly the Hebrew Roots movement is. We also look at Seventh Day Adventism, Sacred Name, Two House theology, and Nehemia Gordon.

• 2:52 Start

• 7:50 Defining Hebrew Roots

• 29:12 Looking at SDA

• 46:42 Calendar Issues

• 53:36 Sacred Nameism

• 100:29 Nehemia Gordon

Ellen G. White: False Date Setting, Rewriting History, and a Fascination with End Time’s Predictions (Part 1)

Ellen White: Rewriting History (Part 2)

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In this episode, we look at the early church and it’s use of bread in communion, then we continue our look at the IAMCS steering committee’s 2014 paper “One Law, Two Sticks.” While proponents of the this view continue to claim they are not “anti-Gentile” this paper along with their suggestions on “unity” paint a very different picture.

• 2:48 Start

• 6:10 Revisiting Sukkot in the End Times

• 11:26 Should We Be Keeping Purity Laws?

• 21:16 Bread and Wine as Elements

• 35:30 One Law Two Sticks Continued

• 50:55 Anti-Gentile in Action

One Law Two Sticks

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In this episode, we start by looking at several comments, one being on the future celebration of Sukkot by all nations and the idea of going up to Israel for the festivals. Then we turn once again to the One Law Two Sticks article by the IAMCS. The article now moves to specific teachers within the Hebrew Roots and focuses on Two House theology. In the end, we talk about God’s plan and how no amount of article writing will change God’s plan.

• 2:50 Start

• 8:09 Pinnacle of Prophecy

• 12:29 Pilgrimage Festivals

• 22:29 One Law Two Sticks… again

• 53:00 Naming Names

One Law Two Sticks

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In this episode, we address questions of canon and why Esther should be in our Bible. We also look at the idea the Torah is the bench mark of inspired Scripture. We then, once again, turn to the paper we have been going through by the IAMCS titled “One Law, Two Sticks.” We finally get into the portion of the paper where they attempt to characterize One Law as a false Gospel.

• 2:51 Start

• 8:41 The Book of Esther as Canon

• 18:23 Is the Torah the Bench Mark?

• 32:27 Back to One Law Two Sticks

• 46:21 Attacking One Law

• 59:39 False Gospel?

One Law Two Sticks

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In this show, I sit down with David Wilber to talk about his new book Pseudo-Scripture. Should the books of 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and Jasher be part of the biblical Canon? Historically the answer has been “no,” but in modern times some, especially in the Hebrew Roots movement are taking a different view suggesting these books are, in fact, inspired Scripture. Wilber will talk about his book and why he takes the historical view that these books are not in fact Scripture. Beyond this, we will also talk about Wilber’s new article on the Hebrew Roots movement and what makes this movement different than the Messianic movement.

Pseudo-Scripture by David Wilber  

What is the Hebrew Roots? – David Wilber

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In this episode, we first look at Acts 10 and Peter’s vision and discuss the various elements of this story. We then walk through Hebrews 8-9 to see if we can understand how the priesthood might fit into this narrative. Finally, we look at credal Christianity and the idea of drawing lines in the theological sand. When do we say a person’s belief places them outside the covenant?

• 2:47 Start

• 5:19 Acts 10 What’s Going On?

• 14:44 Hebrews 8-9 and the Priesthood

• 30:59 Credal Exclusion

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In this episode, we look at several emails that push against previous comments. We look at the Pentecostal movement and explore if it was fueled by experience or scholarship. Then we look at scholarship in general. Is biblical education necessary or should we rely on the Spirit? Finally, a look at the word “atonement” in the Bible and how Yeshua’s work in the spiritual realm parallels this.

• 2:49 Start

• 6:01 What Motivated Pentecostalism?

• 26:27 Catholicism and Idolatry

• 37:51 Should We Care About Scholarship?

• 58:38 Atonement and Yeshua

Rather Spirit Filled Than Learned – Marius Nel 

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In this episode, we look at several emails that have come in that shed light on what exactly the Hebrew Roots is as we attempt to understand the difference between the HR and the Messianic movement. We then turn to the One Law Two Sticks article by the IAMCS to look at some of the Hebrew Roots history.

• 2:44 Start

• 6:03 Gentiles in the Millennium

• 22:36 What is the Hebrew Roots?

• 52:23 Hebrew Roots Teachers

• 104:08 Monte Judah

One Law Two Sticks

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In this episode, we look at an email where someone defines “Messianic Judaism” as a practice except for one theological belief, it has to be anti-one law. We discuss why this is a problem and how the big groups in the Messianic movement can’t even agree with each other on the definition. Then we turn to the the IAMCS paper, Two Sticks One Law.

• 2:47 Start

• 7:22 Is “Messianic” Belief or Practice?

• 21:10 You’re Not Messianic!

• 35:25 Review of Two Laws One Stick (Continued)

One Law Two Sticks

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In this episode, we continue our look at the IAMCS steering comity paper, “One Law, Two Sticks.” In this section of the paper, they look at the history of the Hebrew Roots movement, and we finally find some common ground with the authors as they discuss the history and problems with the Sacred Name movement.

• 2:44 Start

• 5:37 John 6.53 and Communion

• 18:07 History of HR

• 41:38 Sacred Name Movement

• 101:13 Different Dates of Shavuot

One Law Two Sticks

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