Anna Zarudzka runs Boldare, a 100-person digital product company in Poland that's built 300+ products and operates without traditional managers.But she didn't start in tech. She started in jazz, painting, and TV production at Poland's biggest channels.In 2008, she left a dying industry (TV) to co-found what became Boldare. They scaled to 200 people using Holacracy (no hierarchy, no bosses), then intentionally scaled back to 100.Why? Because fast growth broke their leadership, killed operational excellence, and turned the company into something they didn't recognize.In this conversation, Anna breaks down:→ Why she chose client services over building a SaaS unicorn (and why most founders are chasing the wrong thing)→ How Holacracy actually works at scale (and where it broke)→ What it's like to fire 100 people (and why she still doesn't sleep well)→ Why "being at the top" is a myth that keeps you stuck→ How her chaotic creative background (film, jazz, law) prepared her to run a tech company→ The difference between strategy that works on slides vs. strategy that survives reality→ Why she co-founded a democratic elementary school where kids vote on budgetsWe also talked about:✅ Co-CEO dynamics (sharing power without killing each other)✅ Why most Polish tech talent stays in smaller cities (not Warsaw)✅ The worst project disasters and what they taught her✅ How to compete with massive outsourcing shops (EPAM, Soft Serve) with only 100 people✅ Why "top of the mountain" thinking will burn you outIf you've ever felt like you need to build a unicorn to matter, or wondered what leadership looks like without traditional hierarchy, this one's for you.