Messy Jesus Business

"This idea of finding grace within the mess, I think that is the call of the Christian life."-Laura Kelly Fanucci

Season 4, Episode 2 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.

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In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh talks with author and speaker Laura Kelly Fanucci about how she discovered her vocation to write about the intersection of parenting and faith, as a new mother.

"It became a spiritual practice for me in those new years of motherhood, to just reflect on where I was finding God or struggling to find God, in the challenges and the joys of parenting. and things kind of grew out of that and I think I came to find that this was my life's calling," she explains.

Laura also shares her story of grief and loss as a parent and how it strengthened her and her husband's connection to Holy Mystery. And Laura and Sister Julia discuss how the mess can help us support one another.

"There's a call from this loss and grief for me to be in a different way with other people and with God," she says.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Laura Kelly Fanucci is a writer and speaker who has spent over a decade working on the theology of vocation. She earned her Master of Divinity from Saint John's School of Theology and her BA from the University of Notre Dame. Laura is an award-winning columnist for Catholic News Service, and her nationally-syndicated “Faith at Home” column runs monthly in Catholic newspapers across the U.S. Her writing has been featured on NPR’s Morning Edition, On Being, and The Christian Century, as well as popular outlets including People Magazine and the Kelly Clarkson Show.Laura has authored seven books, most recently, "Grieving Together: A Couple's Journey through Miscarriage." She and her husband live in Minnesota with their children.

You can find Laura on several social media channels as well as her website.

Facebook: @mothering.spirit

Instagram: @thismessygrace/

Twitter: @lkfanucci

Contemplative Moment features a reading from Galatians.

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"This idea of finding grace within the mess, I think that is the call of the Christian life."-Laura Kelly Fanucci

Season 4, Episode 2 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.

LISTEN HERE:

IN THIS EPISODE:

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh talks with author and speaker Laura Kelly Fanucci about how she discovered her vocation to write about the intersection of parenting and faith, as a new mother.

"It became a spiritual practice for me in those new years of motherhood, to just reflect on where I was finding God or struggling to find God, in the challenges and the joys of parenting. and things kind of grew out of that and I think I came to find that this was my life's calling," she explains.

Laura also shares her story of grief and loss as a parent and how it strengthened her and her husband's connection to Holy Mystery. And Laura and Sister Julia discuss how the mess can help us support one another.

"There's a call from this loss and grief for me to be in a different way with other people and with God," she says.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Laura Kelly Fanucci is a writer and speaker who has spent over a decade working on the theology of vocation. She earned her Master of Divinity from Saint John's School of Theology and her BA from the University of Notre Dame. Laura is an award-winning columnist for Catholic News Service, and her nationally-syndicated “Faith at Home” column runs monthly in Catholic newspapers across the U.S. Her writing has been featured on NPR’s Morning Edition, On Being, and The Christian Century, as well as popular outlets including People Magazine and the Kelly Clarkson Show.Laura has authored seven books, most recently, "Grieving Together: A Couple's Journey through Miscarriage." She and her husband live in Minnesota with their children.

You can find Laura on several social media channels as well as her website.

Facebook: @mothering.spirit

Instagram: @thismessygrace/

Twitter: @lkfanucci

Contemplative Moment features a reading from Galatians.

MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.

Email us at [email protected]

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"I think what I've learned is there's great fruitfulness in messiness...you need dirt to grow things."- Heidi Haverkamp

Season 4, Episode 1 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.

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In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh talks with writer and Episcopal priest Heidi Haverkamp about why being a part-time hermit is essential to her, and how it serves her in her work.

"Part of a healthy solitude is that you're growing in love for other people," she explains.  

They discuss how discipleship of Jesus is meant to come from a place of freedom and joy and how that can offer clarity. They also talk discernment, and feeling called.

"Pay attention to your obsessions. I think there's something of God in what we can't stop thinking about. Especially if it's a good thing." Heidi says.

And they consider how mess can actually be a good thing, resulting in fruitfulness.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Heidi Haverkamp is a writer, spiritual director, an Episcopal priest, and a part-time hermit. For 10 years, she served in parish ministry in churches in the Chicago area. She is the author of three books: Advent in Narnia, Holy Solitude, and Everyday Connections: Reflections and Practices for Year C, due out in September. She has been featured in the media, including a recent article in the New York Times on solitude and the pandemic.

Heidi received a Master's of Divinity from The University of Chicago Divinity School in 2006 and a certificate in Anglican studies from Seabury-Western Theological Seminary (now Bexley Seabury) a year later. She has worked on organic farms, in a corporate law office, as pastor of a rural congregation in New England, and at Trader Joe's. She is married to Adam Frieberg. They live in Indianapolis.

You can find and follow Heidi Haverkamp on the web:

* www.heidihaverkamp.net* https://www.facebook.com/HeidiHaverkamp* https://www.instagram.com/heidihaverk/

CONTEMPLATIVE MOMENT features the poem: For Solitude, from page 112 of the book, To Bless the Space Between Us: A Book of Blessings, by John O'Donohue.

MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.

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"I think what I've learned is there's great fruitfulness in messiness...you need dirt to grow things."- Heidi Haverkamp

Season 4, Episode 1 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.

IN THIS EPISODE:

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh talks with writer and Episcopal priest Heidi Haverkamp about why being a part-time hermit is essential to her, and how it serves her in her work.

"Part of a healthy solitude is that you're growing in love for other people," she explains.  

They discuss how discipleship of Jesus is meant to come from a place of freedom and joy and how that can offer clarity. They also talk discernment, and feeling called.

"Pay attention to your obsessions. I think there's something of God in what we can't stop thinking about. Especially if it's a good thing." Heidi says.

And they consider how mess can actually be a good thing, resulting in fruitfulness.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Heidi Haverkamp is a writer, spiritual director, an Episcopal priest, and a part-time hermit. For 10 years, she served in parish ministry in churches in the Chicago area. She is the author of three books: Advent in Narnia, Holy Solitude, and Everyday Connections: Reflections and Practices for Year C, due out in September. She has been featured in the media, including a recent article in the New York Times on solitude and the pandemic.

Heidi received a Master's of Divinity from The University of Chicago Divinity School in 2006 and a certificate in Anglican studies from Seabury-Western Theological Seminary (now Bexley Seabury) a year later. She has worked on organic farms, in a corporate law office, as pastor of a rural congregation in New England, and at Trader Joe's. She is married to Adam Frieberg. They live in Indianapolis.

You can find and follow Heidi Haverkamp on the web:

www.heidihaverkamp.nethttps://www.facebook.com/HeidiHaverkamphttps://www.instagram.com/heidihaverk/

CONTEMPLATIVE MOMENT features the poem: For Solitude, from page 112 of the book, To Bless the Space Between Us: A Book of Blessings, by John O'Donohue.

MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.

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"If we believe it's all up to us, then we think we have to have static, clear, concrete answers...but God continually creates." - Father Dan Horan

Season 3, Episode 10 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.

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Sister Julia Walsh talks with Father Daniel Horan, professor, author and columnist. They discuss how he came to discover his vocation as a Franciscan, and they consider the importance of encouraging one another as Christians. Father Dan also talks about what he calls Holy Spirit atheism, which he says puts us at risk of acting in ways that are contrary to the will of God. "The Holy Spirit tends to fall off the radar. The Holy Spirit is the proverbial third wheel of the Holy Trinity." He explains.

"I think if people remembered that the Holy Spirit is God's self, the gift of God's self, that draws near to us in all of creation in all times, it starts to change our way of thinking and being in the world," he says.

"How might our lives look different if we recognize that we are not alone, that Jesus's promise in the Gospels are true?"

From there, Father Dan and Sister Julia reflect on relationships, and what it means to be in "right relationship" with others.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Daniel P. Horan, OFM, PhD is the Duns Scotus Professor of Spirituality at Catholic Theological Union in Chicago, where he teaches systematic theology and spirituality. He is a columnist for the National Catholic Reporter, and the author of hundreds of articles and more than 12 books, including "Catholicity and Emerging Personhood: A Contemporary Theological Anthropology (Orbis Books, 2019)," which received the 2020 First Place Award for Theology Book from the Association of Catholic Publishers. Among his forthcoming books due out later this year are "A White Catholic’s Guide to Racism and Privilege," and "The Way of the Franciscans: A Prayer Journey Through Lent."

Father Daniel regularly lectures around the United States and abroad; serves on a number of university, academic, and publication editorial boards, including the St. Bonaventure University Board of Trustees, the Franciscan School of Theology Board of Regents, and the Board of Directors of the International Thomas Merton Society. He is co-host of The Francis Effect Podcast.

Contemplative Moment features a reading from 1 Thessalonians 5:11-23.

MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.

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In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh talks with Father Dan Horan about how he came to discover his vocation as a Franciscan, and they consider the importance of encouraging one another as Christians. Father Dan also talks about what he calls Holy Spirit atheism, which he says puts us at risk of acting in ways that are contrary to the will of God.

"God gives us God's grace lovingly, lavishly and abundantly for the purpose that we pay it forward." - Carl McColman

Season 3, Episode 9 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.

IN THIS EPISODE:

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh talks with writer, speaker and storyteller Carl McColman about discovering his vocation as a spiritual director and spiritual teacher. They discuss how medieval mystics and saints and other spiritual teachers inspire him, and how the mystics teach us to tear down the walls that divide us. And they discuss the challenges of being human and being an activist and the importance of contemplation in navigating both.

Lastly, they explore the messiness of the Christian search, being privileged and human, yet being called to struggle for justice.

"The house is on fire everywhere...because there are people today who are suffering...who need liberation, who need advocacy, who need care. And so, no one person can do it all," Carl explains.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Carl McColman is a contemplative writer, speaker, teacher, soul friend, and storyteller.

He is the author of numerous books, including The Big Book of Christian Mysticism, Answering the Contemplative Call, An Invitation to Celtic Wisdom and Unteachable Lessons. His latest book, Eternal Heart, will be published in the summer of 2021.

Several of Carl’s books have won awards or recognition, notably Befriending Silence which won the 2015 “Georgia Author of the Year” award in the field of inspirational/religious writing. His work has been warmly endorsed by many leading voices in the field of Christian spirituality, such as bestselling author Brian D. McLaren who said, “If you don’t know about Carl McColman and his work, you should.”

Carl studied at James Madison University (BA, English) and George Mason University (MA, Professional Writing and Editing). His formation in the spiritual life includes training with the Shalem Institute in Washington, DC; the Institute for Pastoral Studies in Atlanta; and the Monastery of the Holy Spirit in Conyers, GA; where Carl is a Life-Professed Lay Cistercian: a layperson under formal spiritual guidance with the Trappist monks.

After a career as a humble bookseller, he entered into full-time lay ministry as a retreat director, writer and speaker. Since 2016 he and his wife have served as adult catechists, co-directing the RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation) process at their parish. He is a commissioned Centering Prayer presenter with Contemplative Outreach of North Georgia, and a spiritual director serving individuals both in metro Atlanta and online.

Carl’s writing appears on numerous websites, including Patheos, the Huffington Post, Day One, Contemplative Life, and Medium. He regularly posts new content to his personal blog at www.anamchara.com/blog on topics such as Christian mysticism, contemplative practice, Celtic spirituality, and interspirituality (interreligious dialogue).

Carl co-hosts the Encountering Silence podcast with filmmaker Cassidy Hall and theologian Kevin Johnson. He also creates video and audio content for his website.

Carl and his wife, artist Fran McColman, live near Atlanta in a small house filled with cats, books, icons and love. Their daughter, Rhiannon, passed away after a long illness at age 29 in 2014. When they take a break from the work they so enjoy, you may find Carl and Fran wandering around the mountains of western North Carolina or taking long walks along the Emerald Coast of Fl...

Sister Julia Walsh talks with writer, speaker and storyteller Carl McColman about discovering his vocation as a spiritual director and spiritual teacher. They discuss how medieval mystics and saints and other spiritual teachers inspire him, and how the mystics teach us to tear down the walls that divide us. And they discuss the challenges of being human and being an activist and the importance of contemplation in navigating both.

"Sometimes, language can be the easy hurdle. The actions that correspond to wisdom can be much more difficult to enact."

-Pádraig Ó Tuama

Season 3, Episode 8 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.

IN THIS EPISODE:

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh and poet, public speaker, teacher and theologian Pádraig Ó Tuama explore the light, the dark, and the infinite complexities of language. They consider terms like Christian and minister, and discuss the nature of poetry as well as the essential role imagination plays in one's spiritual life as well as conflict resolution. And they talk about the complexities of doing good and being good.

"It's easy to think that doing good is always good, and is always easy. But it's not," Pádraig explains. "I think that doing good is very difficult, because you might think you're doing good and realize afterwards, that was naive, or that was mistaken, or I was highlighting the wrong thing that wasn't the real problem."

Sister Julia and Pádraig also discuss the Syrophoenician woman in Scripture, and how Jesus learns from her.

They talk about how peacemaking and community building get messy and how taking Jesus of Nazareth seriously involves asking some thought-provoking questions.

ABOUT THE GUESTPoet and theologian, Pádraig Ó Tuama’s work centers around themes of language, power, conflict and religion. Working fluently on the page and in public, Pádraig is a poet and speaker, teacher and group worker. His latest books are: In the Shelter (2021 North America edition) and Borders and Belonging (2021),

Pádraig presents Poetry Unbound with On Being Studios and in late 2019 was named Theologian in Residence for On Being, innovating in bringing art and theology into public and civic life.

Ó Tuama’s published work incorporates poetry (Readings from the Book of Exile [longlisted for the Polari Prize 2013]; Sorry for your Troubles), prose (In The Shelter) and theology (Daily Prayer, The Place Between). Poems featured or forthcoming in the following publications or platforms: Poetry Ireland Review, Academy of American Poets, Raidio Teilifís Éireann’s Poem of the Week, Post Road, Cream City Review, Holden Village Voice, Proximity Magazine, On Being, Dumbo Feather, Gutter, America, and Seminary Ridge Review.

From 2014-2019 he was the leader of the Corrymeela Community, Ireland’s oldest peace and reconciliation community.

Ó Tuama has been a featured guest on On Being with Krista Tippett twice, and is a regular broadcaster on radio on topics such as Poetry, Religion in the public square, Loneliness, Conflict and Faith, LGBT inclusion, the dangers of so-called Reparative Therapy, and the value of the Arts in public life. He has broadcasted, recited and been interviewed countless times on RTÉ, BBC (Radio 4, Radios Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland) and Radio National (Australia). His work has been used in

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh and poet, public speaker, teacher and theologian Pádraig Ó Tuama explore the light, the dark, and the infinite complexities of language. They consider terms like Christian and minister, and discuss the nature of poetry as well as the essential role imagination plays in one's spiritual life as well as conflict resolution. And they talk about the complexities of doing good and being good.