Messy Jesus Business

Episode 59 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.

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"One needs to be looking for Christ in the world, not for the mistakes the world makes about Christ.” - Phyllis Zagano

IN THIS EPISODE

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh talks with scholar, author and lecturer Dr. Phyllis Zagano about her faith journey and the role of women in the Catholic Church. They discuss synodality in the Catholic Church and women in the diaconate. Plus they get into the mess of power, advocating for change and living a life of faith, joy and prayer. Zagano noted, “My bishop asked me not long ago, ‘do you get up at 5 in the morning to write?’ And I said ‘no, I get up at 5 in the morning to pray.’”

ABOUT THE GUEST

Phyllis Zagano is an internationally acclaimed Catholic scholar and lecturer on contemporary spirituality and women's issues in the church. Her award-winning books include Holy Saturday: An Argument for the Restoration of the Female Diaconate in the Catholic Church (First Place, 2001 Catholic Press Association and 2002 College Theology Society), Women & Catholicism: Gender, Communion, and Authority (Second Place, 2012 Catholic Press Association), Women Deacons? Essays with Answers (First Place, 2017 Catholic Press Association), Women: Icons of Christ (Second Place, 2021 Catholic Media Association) and Women Religious, Women Deacons: Questions and Answers (Paulist Press, 2022). 

Her newest books are: Elizabeth Visits the Abbey (Clear Faith Publishing, 2022), a novel for young people about a twelve-year-old girl whose aunt, the abbess of a large abbey in Ireland, tells her about the history of women in the Church; and Just Church (Paulist Press, 2023), which reviews Catholic social teaching and modern synods in relation to current and prospective ministry by women.

Her writing is widely translated — her best-selling On Prayer: A Letter for My Godchild is in Indonesian, Spanish and Italian as well as English — and she edited the Liturgical Press' "Spirituality in History" series.

Zagano belonged to the 2016-2018 Papal Commission for the Study of the Diaconate of Women. Winner of two Fulbright awards, her biographical listings include Marquis Who's Who. Her professional papers are held by the Women in Leadership Archives, Loyola University, Chicago. She holds a research appointment at Hofstra University, Hempstead, New York.

Phyllis's personal webpage at Hofstra University: https://sites.hofstra.edu/phyllis-zagano/

Her author page at Paulist Press: https://www.paulistpress.com/Author/Default.aspx?AuthorId=162911

Phyllis's monthly column for Religion News Service: https://religionnews.com/category/just-catholic/

Phyllis's guest columns in National Catholic Reporter: https://www.ncronline.org/authors/phyllis-zagano

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"We’re shaped … and affected by what we love, what we care about, what we pay attention to, what we admire.” - Robert Ellsberg

IN THIS EPISODE

"Our faith is rooted not in maxims, but in a narrative," shares publisher and editor-in-chief of Orbis Books, Robert Ellsberg, in his conversation with Sister Julia in Episode 58 of the Messy Jesus Business Podcast. Other topics explored in the discussion include the meaning of holiness, the communion of saints and the mess of being a Christian disciple.

Robert’s own narrative has been a movement to peace and a path to spiritual writing that brought him to Dorothy Day, the Catholic Worker Movement and Sister Wendy Beckett; to the ethos of authorship about the lives of saints and their perspectives of the presence of God in all of us. Their humanity, partly through all the difficulties and happy accidents that gave them powerful presence in our lives, has been Ellsberg’s inspiration to write, in order to "spread... these seeds of mindfulness and compassion and awareness."

ABOUT THE GUEST

Robert Ellsberg is the editor-in-chief and publisher of Orbis Books, where he has worked for 35 years. He spent 1975-80 working with Dorothy Day at the Catholic Worker, two years as managing editor of the paper; and he has edited Day's selected writings, diaries, letters, and other work. Robert has written and edited 25 books, including six books on saints and holiness. For over 10 years he has written a daily entry, "Blessed Among Us" for "Give Us This Day" (Liturgical).

Robert's most recent book is Dearest Sister Wendy…A Surprising Story of Faith and Friendship.

Dorothy Day's Selected Writings, edited by Robert: https://orbisbooks.com/products/dorothy-day?_pos=4&_sid=e6af7dd2e&_ss=r

Robert's essays in America Magazine: https://www.americamagazine.org/voices/robert-ellsberg

Follow Robert on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobertEllsberg

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"Readers complete a text. And so storytelling is a collaborative activity.” - Liam Callanan

IN THIS EPISODE

“The act of listening is a very powerful one,” begins Liam Callanan in conversation with Sister Julia Walsh as her guest in Episode 57 of the Messy Jesus Business Podcast. Liam is an author, journalist and teacher who declares passion for writing, collaborating, Rome “and … the mess!”  

Their conversation encompasses the community and connections that can come to fruition in the collaboration of listening, something he experiences in the celebration of mass in the Catholic Church. “... you’re seeing other people lift up their voices and their hearts to God, and that’s a powerful expression in community. It’s all about sitting in the pew and turning to the person next to you and saying ‘welcome’ … a very powerful, active witness for me.”

Liam also shares his perception from the contextual container people put him in as a Catholic writer, an identity through which he finds opportunity for welcoming and mutual listening. “There’s no box that doesn’t have an opening. You just have to unseal it,” says Callanan.

ABOUT THE GUEST

Liam Callanan is a novelist, journalist and teacher. He is the author of The Cloud Atlas, and his nationally best-selling novel, Paris by the Book, was translated into multiple languages and won the Wisconsin Council of Writers 2019 Edna Ferber Fiction Book Award. He is also the 2017 winner of the George W. Hunt, SJ, Prize, awarded by America Magazine and the St. Thomas More Chapel and Center at Yale University. Liam’s work has been published in The Wall Street Journal, Slate, The New York Times, The Washington Post and the San Francisco Chronicle, and he’s recorded numerous essays for public radio. He has taught for the Warren Wilson MFA Program for Writers, Bread Loaf Writers’ Conference, and currently is a professor at the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee. Liam lives in Milwaukee with his wife and daughters.

His most recent novel, When In Rome, will be published by Penguin Random House in March 2023.

Check out Liam's website here: https://www.liamcallanan.com

Liam's essays in America Magazine: https://www.americamagazine.org/voices/liam-callanan

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"Community extends beyond just a group I belong to... we need to extend that belonging to fellow human beings, no matter who they are." –Teré Maya

IN THIS EPISODE

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh gets into the mess of community with Sister Teresa Maya. She and Julia discuss the ways that embracing the messiness of life and the Church sometimes means doing awkward things, like going to mass in a language you don't speak. Teresa also delves into the idea of encuentro--what happens when we come together and how it's bigger than any of us when we're separate. Later, Teresa speaks about her life as a historian, and how history can recover what we've lost in the pursuit of perfection. Other covered topics include how religious life is not going to look like it has in the past, how diversity can enrich spiritual life, and how discipleship is like dance.

ABOUT THE GUEST

Sister Teresa Maya is a member of the Congregation of the Sisters of Charity of the Incarnate Word, San Antonio since 1994. Her education ministry has spanned several decades: she has served as teacher, history professor, administrator, and speaker. She has passion for formation of ministers for Hispanics/Latinas/os in the United States. She has a commitment to life-long learning and a strong conviction in the future of consecrated life. Sister Teresa got her B.A. at Yale University, her M.A. at the Graduate Theological Union at Berkeley and the Ph.D. in El Colegio de Mexico in Mexico City. She served fourteen years in the leadership of her religious institute and on the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) presidency from 2016-19. She currently accompanies other religious congregations as facilitator and consultant.

Teresa's recent Advent video for Catholic Women Preach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y6nzYRSowM

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Episode 55 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.

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"We all will be affected by climate change... can we learn how to understand each other as shared participants in this project of being on earth together?" –Dorothy Fortenberry

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In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh gets into the mess of creative writing amidst the climate crisis with playwright, screenwriter and essayist Dorothy Fortenberry. Dorothy tells about how she found her career and what it's like to be a Catholic in a television writer's room. She also speaks about the importance of having children even in the face of climate change, and how being pro-climate means being pro-humanity. Dorothy and Sister Julia also explore how creating is a connection both to the Spirit and the unknown. Other topics include trying to be a disciple of Jesus in a community as big as the Catholic church, handing out copies of Laudato Si' in Hollywood, and how recycling is like prayer.

ABOUT THE GUEST

Dorothy Fortenberry is a playwright, screenwriter, and essayist. Her plays include: PARTNERS (Actors’ Theatre of Louisville, Humana Festival), THE LOTUS PARADOX (Warehouse Theater), SPECIES NATIVE TO CALIFORNIA (IAMA Theatre), GOOD EGG (Red Fern Theatre), CAITLIN AND THE SWAN (The Management), STATUS UPDATE (Center REPertory), and MOMMUNE (Chalk Rep). As a television writer and producer, she has worked on “Extrapolations” (upcoming for Apple TV+), “The 100” (the CW), and “The Handmaid’s Tale” (Hulu) for which she received multiple Emmy nominations, the PGA Award, and two WGA Awards. She also writes essays for publications including Commonweal, The Los Angeles Review of Books, and Real Simple and likes to talk on podcasts, especially Know Your Enemy. She is the 2021 laureate of the George W. Hunt, S.J., Prize for Journalism, Arts & Letters for outstanding work in the category of fiction writer or dramatist.

Dorothy's piece on climate change for America Magazine: https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2021/10/27/climate-change-catholic-church-tradition-laudato-si-241710

Her essays for Commonweal: https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/users/dorothy-fortenberry

And her essay about going to Church: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/half-full-grace/

Dorothy's Twitter: @dorothy410berry

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Episode 54 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.

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"Imagine if we ripped the roof off to make accommodation for the vulnerable... to make them able to get close." –David Dault

IN THIS EPISODE

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh gets into the mess of spirituality with scholar, professor, and radio host David Dault. Their conversation explores David’s path into Christianity and later Catholicism. David shares about his evolving and complex relationship with the Church, both in its beautiful messiness and resistance to change. David also talks about his desires for the Church to become more radically open to those outside the mainstream including the neurodivergent. Other topics discussed include radical discipleship as radical honesty, learning from different faiths and traditions, and how living the Gospel isn’t like gym class.

ABOUT THE GUEST

David Dault hosts the weekly radio show Things Not Seen: Conversations about Culture and Faith and co-hosts The Francis Effect podcast with Fr. Daniel P. Horan and National Catholic Reporter editor Heidi Schlumpf. He edits The Commonweal Magazine Podcast, The Deacons Pod for the Paulist Fathers, and produces podcasts for clients across the country through his company, Sandburg Media. He is Assistant Professor of Christian Spirituality at the Institute of Pastoral Studies at Loyola University Chicago. David is the author of the forthcoming books The Covert Magisterium (Lexington) and The Accessorized Bible (Yale). He lives with his family in Hyde Park, on Chicago's south side. His website is https://www.daviddault.com/.

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This episode produced and edited by Colin Wambsgans.

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Episode 53 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.

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In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh talks with author, scholar, and translator of spiritual texts Carmen Acevedo Butcher about the messiness of spirituality, healing and relationship. Together they discuss the wisdom Brother Lawrence and the relevance of his message for today. They also get into the mess of contemplation and the human experience. And, they talk about sacredness of words and the ordinary and how religious devotion ought not to be transactional.

ABOUT THE GUEST

Carmen Acevedo Butcher, Ph.D., is an internationally acclaimed speaker, author, educator, poet, and translator of spiritual texts. Her dynamic work in spirituality and the power of language has garnered interest from various media, including the BBC, Religion News Service, and NPR’s Morning Edition, Georgia Gazette, and Dante’s Old South, among others. From a young age, she immersed in the presence prayer. With degrees in medieval studies and a linguistics background, Carmen brings history to life, making its wisdom accessible and useful to us for healing, growth, peace, and actively loving others. She is the award-winning translator of classics such as Practice of the Presence (Broadleaf) by Brother Lawrence, The Cloud of Unknowing (Shambhala) by Anonymous, and Hildegard of Bingen: A Spiritual Reader and A Little Daily Wisdom with medieval women mystics (Paraclete Press). A Carnegie Foundation Professor of the Year and Fulbright Senior Lecturer, she currently teaches at the University of California, Berkeley, in the College Writing Programs. Learn more about Carmen and her work at www.carmenbutcher.com.

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Episode 52 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.

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"Christ is The Way and whatever is in the way is The Way." - Sister Eileen McKenzie

crosses on the camino de santiago. April 2017. photo by julia walsh FSPA

IN THIS EPISODE:

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh talks with another Franciscan Sister of Perpetual Adoration, Sister Eileen McKenzie. Their conversation explores the complexities of the call to Christian life and the challenges of working for justice. Sister Eileen also shares her insights about what Catholic religious life is becoming, the meaning of religious vows and the struggle to be Christ-like as we become instruments of Truth and healing. Sister Eileen also shares about the lessons she learned about messiness while walking the Camino de Santiago, saying that "Christ is The Way and whatever is in the way is The Way."

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Sister Eileen McKenzie, who has ministered as a nurse, researcher, and acupuncturist, is concluding a term of service as the FSPA community as president. Her ministries have taken her throughout the United States and West Africa, and for the past 15 years, she has been centered in the upper Mid-west, serving in St. Paul, Minnesota, and more recently La Crosse, Wisconsin. She founded FSPA Community Acupuncture and was a founding member of Integrative Therapies of La Crosse, a collective of holistic practitioners dedicated to making their services affordable and accessible for people in the region from 2010 to May 2020. She has a bachelor’s degree in nursing, a master’s degree in traditional Chinese medicine and has completed a predoctoral fellowship in clinical research. Sister Eileen has devoted time and energy for many health, justice and mission service-oriented organizations both locally and internationally, and is particularly interested in the intersection of social justice and healing movements. She is enamored by Franciscan spirituality and an ardent discerner of Pope Francis’ call to create cultures of encounter.

Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration on the Camino de Santiago

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Episode 51 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.

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In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh talks with Ivan Ng during her visit to Singapore for the International Conference on Cohesive Societies in September 2022. They explore Ivan's conversion to becoming a Catholic Christian, the Focolare Movement and Humanitarian Organization for Migration Economics (H.O.M.E) as well as the messiness of Gospel Living.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Ivan Ng is a Catholic convert of 28 years and a member of Focolare Movement which strives to fulfill Jesus last wish on the Cross that may all may be one (John 17:21) through living the Gospel in their daily lives. Married to his beloved wife, Alve, and the father of three adult children, Ivan retired from his banking career seven years ago and now volunteers with different marginalized communities including migrant workers, lonely elders and adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities. Ivan says his motivation to serve these groups is to love Jesus in the least (Matthew 25:40) and to have a positive impact on others. In return he says that he receives hundredfold for whatever he gives, as Jesus promised.

Ivan Ng at HOME in Singapore

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Episode 1, Season 6 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.

"When you are in a place of paradox, you're on holy ground."

- Sister Julia Walsh

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IN THIS EPISODE:

In this very special episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh takes on the role of podcast guest, and gives us a behind-the-scenes look at the conceptualization of Messy Jesus Business Podcast. Podcast editor Charish Badzinski serves as host for this episode, and together she and Sister Julia explore the lessons of the past 49 episodes, and what it means to say yes to the mess. Sister Julia explains how the program got its start and its name. She also gets the chance to respond to the questions she frequently asks her guests, including offering her thoughts on what radical discipleship means to her, and what she thinks is especially messy.

During this episode, we also hear from past guests who pop in to in the join the celebration, as well as podcast listeners who share what listening to Messy Jesus Business means to them. And lastly, Sister Julia gives a sneak peek into possible future topics she'd like to explore in the next 50 episodes.

Please note that the Messy Jesus Business team is taking a break over the summer to plan the next 50 episodes, and the podcast will return with fresh content this fall.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Sister Julia Walsh is a Franciscan Sister of Perpetual Adoration and part of a new generation of Catholic Sisters. She’s often writing and podcasting about the messiness of following Jesus and being Catholic and doesn’t hesitate to ask important questions. She can often be found visiting jails, leading retreats, companioning spiritual seekers, advocating for peace, teaching about social justice, praying in the chapel or camping in the woods. Sister Julia has been frequently featured in the media, and is widely published.

Julia Walsh grew up on a goat farm in a small community in Northeast Iowa with her parents: Kevin and Elsie, and three siblings. She attended college in Iowa, starting at Wartburg College in Waverly, then ultimately transferring to Loras College to discern her vocation. While a student at Loras in Dubuque, Iowa Julia studied abroad in South Africa and realized her passion for social justice, equality and Gospel living.

In 2003 she graduated from Loras College magna cum laude with a BA in History, Secondary Education and Catholic Studies. After graduation Julia interned with the Iowa Catholic Conference in Des Moines, Iowa, and then moved to California and joined the Jesuit Volunteer Corps. As a Jesuit Volunteer, Julia worked with young parents and their children transitioning from homelessness to healthy interdependence at Waking the Village/Tubman House in Sacramento, California. Her experiences in South Africa, as an intern with the Iowa Catholic Conference and in the Jesuit Volunteer Corps helped her to develop her passions for Gospel-centered systemic change.

In 2006 Julia entered the Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration, (FSPA) based in La Crosse, Wisconsin. She entered the novitiate and received the name Sister in 2007. She professed first vows in 2009 and perpetual vows in 2015.

Sister Julia began her teaching ministry at Catholic high schools in Chicago where she lived and served from 2008 to 2012. In 2012, Sister Julia moved to La Crosse, Wisconsin to be closer to her community’s motherhouse and minister at Aquinas High School, where she served as a theology teacher until 2016.

In the fall of 2016, Sister Julia joined the staff of Marywood Franciscan Spirituality Center on Trout Lake in the Northwoods of Wisconsin, where she presented programs and retreats and served as a freelance writer. In August 2017, Sister Julia graduated from Catholic Theological Union in Chicago with a Master of Arts in Pastoral Studies.

Sister Julia returned to Chicago in August 2019 and became a certified spiritual director though the Claret Center in May 2020. That same year, she joined her congregation’s formation team, serving women who are discerning their vocation. In 2021 she co-founded The Fireplace, an intentional community and house of hospitality on Chicago’s southside that offers spiritual support to artists and activists. 

In addition to writing, serving as a spiritual director, companioning people who are discerning their vocations, facilitating retreats, and managing Messy Jesus Business blog and podcast, Sister Julia also volunteers at Kolbe House, the Archdiocese of Chicago’s Jail Ministry Center.

Sister Julia enjoys hiking, camping, watching movies, gardening, creating and taking in art, cooking, traveling and spending time with her community, family and friends. On a sunny day in Chicago she can be found riding her bicycle throughout the city and writing poetry about her relationship with God.

MESSY JESUS BUSINESS podcast is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski. In this special 50th episode, Sister Julia Walsh is the podcast guest and Charish Badzinski serves as host.

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