In this episode of the Common Time Podcast, we’re joined by Michael Gaines, a renowned program designer known for his thoughtful, student-centered approach to ensemble design. 

Our conversation explores the philosophy behind strong program design, how directors can align design choices with their students and resources, and the importance of clarity, communication, and intentionality throughout the process. Michael also discusses collaboration between designers and directors, long-term planning, and how great design supports—not overshadows—student growth.

Whether you’re designing a marching band program, refining your indoor shows, or simply looking to bring more purpose to your planning, this episode offers insights that will help you think more deeply about how design impacts both performance and people.

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Hosts: Dr. John Pasquale and Dr. David Clemmer

Producers: Jessica Pasquale and Theresa Clemmer