📝 Episode Summary

In this episode, Rodric sits down with Chris Majer, founder of the Human Potential Project, to talk about AI, leadership, and what it actually takes to transform individuals and organizations.

Chris has spent 35+ years working with elite athletes, special forces, and corporate leaders, blending eastern practices (like Aikido and meditation) with western psychology and performance science. Now, he’s integrating AI into his work — not to replace humans, but to dramatically speed up diagnosis of deep organizational issues.

They dive into why financial metrics are backward-looking, how most businesses are really just “nested commitments,” why trust is not a feeling, and the critical distinction between diagnosing a problem and solving it. Chris also shares what real leadership is (and isn’t), why most CEOs are stuck operating instead of leading, and how your body’s built-in “bullshit detector” shapes culture more than any poster on the wall.

You’ll also hear how a mystical moment in an airport bookstore led him to a lifetime of blending human potential, eastern wisdom, and high performance — and why he believes purpose isn’t something you find; it’s something you declare.

🔑 In This Episode, You’ll Learn

•How AI fits into human transformation (for real)

Why Chris uses AI only for diagnosis — not coaching, not leadership, and not human connection.

•What a “Red Line Report” is and why it matters

How organizations hit invisible “redline” limits where the same problems never get solved, and how Chris’s process uncovers the real constraints.

•Why financials don’t tell the whole story

The problem with only looking at numbers: they’re backward-looking indicators and often hide the real breakdowns.

•Organizations as “nested commitments”

A radically simple way to see your business: promises made and kept (or not) — and what happens when that system breaks.

•The two true responsibilities of a leader

Why leaders are the guardian of the mood and architect of the future, and why you can’t do either one if you’re stuck in the weeds.

•Trust, authenticity & the bullshit detector

How trust actually works (sincerity, competence, reliability), why your body knows when something’s off, and how stories and rumors quietly kill performance.

•Culture > raw talent (in sports and business)

The lesson from the New Zealand All Blacks: “no dickheads,” why superstar jerks cost you more than they bring, and why culture fit beats raw capability.

•Why AI avatars and “AI coaches” miss the mark

The difference between information and inspiration — and why no avatar can replicate the energetic, human-to-human space of real coaching.

•Why purpose isn’t something you “find”

Chris’s definition of purpose as a declaration, and his own: “to enable the full and free expression of the human spirit.”

⏱️ Highlights & Timestamps

[00:00] How Chris uses AI (and why only for diagnosis)

He explains how AI helps diagnose complex organizational issues by seeing patterns humans might miss — and where humans must still do the real work.

[00:45] Welcome to Million Dollar Flip Flops

Rodric sets up the conversation around human potential, AI, and leadership.

[01:00] Who is Chris Majer & what is the Human Potential Project?

Chris introduces his work in cultural and individual transformation — from athletes, to special forces, to global corporations.

[01:40] The “Red Line Report” and intractable business problems

Why every organization has at least one problem that never seems to get solved — and how they go after that.

[02:10] Financials vs reality

Why financial reports are backward-looking, imperfect indicators that often mask the real breakdowns.

[02:40] Organizations as nested commitments

“I promise to do X by time Y” — how broken commitments create rework, missed deadlines, and invisible drag.

[03:40] From rugby fields to special forces: the origin story

Chris shares how he and his partner started working with athletes, then teams, then the U.S. Army and special forces.

[05:15] Blending east and west: Aikido, intention & performance

The airport bookstore story, George Leonard, Aikido, Tibetan Buddhism, and building a bridge between eastern practices and western performance.

[07:40] Teaching meditation without calling it meditation

How they taught special forces “focusing techniques” when the army wouldn’t allow meditation — same practice, different branding.

[09:30] Mind–body–team and building practices that stick

Why transformation has to include individuals, teams, and management practices — or the work just evaporates.

[10:20] Time to think, time to read, time to lead

Chris and Rodric talk about thinking time, reading the world daily, and why “busy” CEOs are usually just operators in disguise.

[11:00] The two jobs of a leader

Guardian of the mood of the enterprise and architect of the future — and why most leaders get stuck in management instead.

[12:20] Can leadership be learned?

Chris’s take: some may be born with a head start, but leadership is absolutely teachable.

[12:50] The real nature of trust

Why trust isn’t a feeling or a thing you “give” — it’s built on sincerity, competence, and reliability when promises are made.

[13:40] Your body’s built-in bullshit detector

How your nervous system picks up inauthenticity, your mind makes up stories, and rumors become “truth” that quietly wrecks coordination.

[16:40] Culture beats talent: lessons from the All Blacks

Why the most successful sports team in history has a “no dickheads” rule — and why that applies perfectly to business.

[18:30] AI avatars, art, and authentic presence

They discuss real art vs prints, AI avatars, and why no digital version of you can replicate human energetic presence.

[20:00] AI for diagnosis, humans for transformation

Chris explains again how AI helps identify patterns — but humans must interpret and solve the issues.

[21:00] Where to find Chris & new courses launching

Leadership course, execution methodology course, his book The Power to Transform, and where to learn more.

[21:40] Question for the next guest: “Who were your teachers?”

Chris leaves a powerful question about lineage and influence.

[22:30] Purpose: you don’t find it, you declare it

He shares his purpose and explains how to think about your own.

💬 Notable Quotes

“We’re using AI in one domain: diagnosing. It’s great at spotting patterns we might miss. But that’s just step one. Solving the problem is where human beings come in.” – Chris Majer

“An organization is simply a series of nested commitments: ‘I promise to do X by time Y.’ When that system breaks down, everything slows.” – Chris Majer

“As a leader, you only have two responsibilities: you’re the guardian of the mood of the enterprise, and the architect of the future.” – Chris Majer

“Human beings have a built-in bullshit detector. It’s not in your mind — it’s in your body.” – Chris Majer

“Purpose isn’t something you find like car keys. Purpose is a declaration you make.” – Chris Majer

🔗 Connect with Chris Majer

🌐 Human Potential Project:

HumanPotentialProject.com

🌐 Speaking & Personal Site:

ChrisMajer.com

LinkedIn (professional profile)

👉 https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrismajer (Chris Majer — Leadership & Corporate Culture expert)

Instagram

👉 https://www.instagram.com/majerfactor/?hl=en (Chris Majer / Majer Factor) — performance & transformation content

📚 Book:

The Power to Transform — available on Amazon

🎓 Courses (Launching):

Leadership course

Execution / “how to get things done” methodology course

🔗 Connect with Rodric

🎙 Million Dollar Flip Flops Podcast

📖 Book: Million Dollar Flip Flops – proceeds support Send a Student Leader Abroad (SASLA)

🌍 SASLA: Empowering students through entrepreneurship and global travel

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As a thank you for your support, we’re offering exclusive bonuses available only for our podcast listeners. These bonuses are packed with extra tools and resources to help you implement the principles from the book faster and more effectively.

Don’t miss this opportunity to gain invaluable insights, impact a young leader’s life, and be a part of something bigger.

Click the link, order your copy, and claim your listener-only bonuses today!

Together, let’s change lives—one trip at a time.

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**P.S.** Every book you buy gets us one step closer to sending 1,000,000 kids on life-changing adventures. Let’s make it happen!

In this episode, Rodric sits down with Venchele Saint Dic, founder of Pathway Coach Writing, to talk about how to turn jargon-heavy ideas into clear, human writing—without burning out in the process.

Venchele combines her background in public health with her work as a writing coach, ghostwriter, and editor to help entrepreneurs, experts, and organizations use writing as a branding strategy. She focuses on translating complex “industry lingo” into language people can actually understand and feel.

They dig into why simple, eighth-grade-level writing wins (even with experts), how wellness can and should be built into the writing process, and why AI can be a helpful tool—but will never replace the human heart behind the words.

You’ll also hear how Venchele got into the business, why she believes not every idea will be your idea to carry, and why you should keep trying new ventures until you find the thing that truly lights you up.

•Why simple writing is powerful

Why writing at an 8th-grade level doesn’t “dumb things down”—it opens your message up to more people (including experts).

•How Venchele translates jargon into connection

How she helps clients convert complex industry language into relatable, clear, and emotionally resonant content.

•The writing–wellness connection

How she integrates health and wellness into the writing process so it feels like a grounded practice, not a draining chore.

•The real work behind writing (even with AI)

Why AI can help you get started—but still needs human review, context, and heart to truly land.

•Ghostwriting, editing, and AI review

How Venchele works as a ghostwriter, line editor, market researcher, and AI-content reviewer for her clients.

•Why representation matters in the writing industry

The importance of seeing more women—and especially women who look like her—leading in writing and branding spaces.

•What to do when a business idea “fails”

Why it doesn’t mean you failed; it just means you haven’t found your idea yet. Try the next one.

•The value of guest podcasting

How guesting gives her a “mini TEDx” platform to share ideas, practice public speaking, and grow her business.

[00:00] If one business idea doesn’t work…try the next

Venchele opens with a powerful reminder: a failed idea isn’t a failed life. Keep experimenting until you find what truly drives you.

[00:20] Welcome to Million Dollar Flip Flops

Rodric sets the stage and welcomes listeners into another conversation about freedom, business, and intentional living.

[00:45] Who is Venchele Saint Dic and what is Pathway Coach Writing?

Venchele shares how she helps businesses and individuals use writing as a branding strategy—turning dense jargon into content people actually understand and relate to.

[01:30] Writing at an 8th-grade level (and why experts secretly love it)

They talk about the “8th-grade rule” from writing greats like Hormozi & co., and why even experts are quietly wishing someone would “crack the code” in simpler language.

[02:10] How she actually helps clients “dumb it down”

Venchele explains how her public health background trained her to translate data into actionable insights—and now into messaging for businesses.

[03:00] Integrating wellness into writing

She describes treating wellness like infrastructure: it informs timelines, decision-making, communication, and how clients experience the writing process.

[03:40] “Grace on the Page” and Confident You

Venchele talks about her chapter, “Grace on the Page,” in the Amazon bestselling anthology Confident You: The Raw Conversations, and how wellness lives inside the way we write and work.

[04:30] Power dynamics and meeting clients where they are

As a writing coach, she’s aware of the expertise gap. She shares how she avoids overwhelming clients and instead becomes a guide and cheerleader.

[05:00] What she actually writes & edits

Books, manuscripts, sales letters, website copy, podcast pitches—and yes, ghostwriting and line-editing for busy entrepreneurs and leaders.

[05:45] Why she started Pathway Coach Writing

From asking “Do enough people who look like me exist in this space?” to deciding to be part of the movement instead of waiting for someone else to start it.

[06:30] Passion over money (and what happens if it flops)

Why she started the business for passion, not money—and the mindset of, “If this doesn’t pan out, I’ll try something else.”

[07:10] AI, writing, and the missing human energy

They talk about AI-generated content, why it reads well but often feels off, and how readers can subconsciously sense when the heart isn’t there.

[08:10] Using AI as a drafting assistant, not a replacement

Rodric shares how he uses AI alongside hundreds of hours of his own recordings, and why he still rewrites everything that goes out.

[09:30] Where to find Venchele

She shares her website and social platforms where listeners can connect and learn more.

[10:00] Question for the next guest

Venchele’s question: Have you found your purpose—and if not, what are you doing to address it?

[10:30] Why she values guest podcasting

She describes guest spots as “mini TEDx talks” that offer visibility, practice, self-reflection, and a chance to add value to new audiences.

[11:30] Final plug: Confident You & stories of resilience

She invites listeners to check out Confident You: The Raw Conversations, featuring stories of women who chose courage and resilience.

“Just because a business idea doesn’t work, try the next one. Keep trying until you find that thing that really drives your passion.” – Venchele Saint Dic

“Writing takes time and effort. Even with AI, there’s still thought, review, and your own heart that needs to go into it.” – Venchele Saint Dic

“Wellness isn’t just a perk. It’s part of the infrastructure—how timelines are set, how decisions are made, and how communication happens.” – Venchele Saint Dic

“If I’m not growing, then I’m not having fun.” – Venchele Saint Dic

🌐 Website: www.PathwayCoachWriting.com

📲 Socials:

1. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/venchele-saint-dic-mph-candidate-70480811/
2. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/venchelesaintdic/ (Personal)

https://www.instagram.com/pathwaycoachwriting/ (Business)

📚 Featured Work:

1. Confident You: The Raw Conversations – Amazon bestselling anthology (Venchele’s chapter: “Grace on the Page”)

🎙 Million Dollar Flip Flops Podcast

📖 Book: Million Dollar Flip Flops – all proceeds support Send a Student Leader Abroad (SASLA)

🌍 SASLA: Empowering student leaders through entrepreneurship and global travel

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As a thank you for your support, we’re offering exclusive bonuses available only for our podcast listeners. These bonuses are packed with extra tools and resources to help you implement the principles from the book faster and more effectively.

Don’t miss this opportunity to gain invaluable insights, impact a young leader’s life, and be a part of something bigger.

Click the link, order your copy, and claim your listener-only bonuses today!

Together, let’s change lives—one trip at a time.

www.MillionDollarFlipFlops.com/book

**P.S.** Every book you buy gets us one step closer to sending 1,000,000 kids on life-changing adventures. Let’s make it happen!

📝 Episode Summary

In this episode, Rodric sits down with Brandon Liebowitz, founder of SEO Optimizers, to unpack what actually works in SEO now that AI, ChatGPT, and LLMs are changing how people search.

Brandon has been doing SEO since 2007, back when you could rank by stuffing a few keywords on a page and blasting low-quality backlinks. Those days are gone.

He breaks down why SEO is not instant, why Google and other platforms don’t trust you at first, and why backlinks from relevant sites still matter more than most people realize—especially for builders, contractors, and local service businesses who think SEO is going to magically make the phone ring for $2M builds.

They also dive deep into how guest podcasting became one of Brandon’s favorite SEO strategies, why he’s been on nearly 300 podcasts, and how he’s turned those interviews into backlinks, content, and long-term visibility. You’ll also hear about his new book, The Power of Guest Podcasting, and how you can use podcasts to boost your own SEO without becoming a full-time content machine.

🔑 In This Episode, You’ll Learn

•. The biggest misconception about SEO

Why SEO is not instant, and why search engines & platforms don’t trust you at first.

•. How AI & ChatGPT are changing search

Why more people are skipping Google and going straight to LLMs—and what that means for website traffic and SEO.

•. Why websites still matter

Even with AI and rich snippets, your website is still your digital “resume, portfolio, and store”—and why social alone is risky.

•. Backlinks 101 (without the fluff)

Why third-party sites mentioning you (backlinks) matter more than keyword stuffing, and how the wrong backlinks can actually hurt you.

•. Quality vs quantity in link building

Why a few relevant, niche backlinks beat a flood of low-quality press release links and generic news mentions.

•. What builders and local pros get wrong about SEO

Why paying for SEO doesn’t automatically mean luxury clients showing up—and what’s usually missing (hint: the right backlinks and content structure).

•. Site structure, topical relevance & internal links

Why one “services” page isn’t enough anymore, and how to use blogs and internal linking to build topical authority.

•. Content quality in the age of AI

How Google’s crackdown on spun content paved the way for today’s emphasis on genuinely helpful content (and why “your content just sucks” is sometimes the truth).

•. Guest podcasting as an SEO strategy

How Brandon has been on ~300 shows, why guesting is better than hosting for SEO, and how he uses those interviews to earn backlinks and repurpose content.

•. The mindset you need for SEO

Why patience, consistency, and “slow wins” compound into exponential long-term growth.

⏱️ Highlights & Timestamps

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[00:00] The biggest misconception about SEO

Brandon opens with the truth most people don’t want to hear: SEO isn’t instant, and search engines don’t trust you out of the gate.

[00:40] Welcome to Million Dollar Flip Flops

Rodric sets the stage and re-introduces the show’s focus on freedom, business, and time.

[01:00] Who is Brandon Liebowitz and what does he do?

Brandon explains how he helps people get more visibility and traffic from search engines and platforms like Google, YouTube, Amazon, and LLMs.

[01:30] LLMs, ChatGPT, and the future of search

They discuss how people (including Rodric) are using ChatGPT instead of Google, AI’s impact on traffic, and why fewer clicks doesn’t mean websites are dead.

[02:30] Are websites still relevant?

Brandon explains why your website is still your core asset online—even with Google snippets and AI giving answers directly in the interface.

[03:00] How Brandon fell into SEO back in 2007

From a business marketing degree to his first job doing SEO (with no idea what it was), learning through classes and workshops, and sticking with SEO for the “free traffic.”

[04:00] Holistic traffic vs single-channel dependency

Why Brandon recommends spreading traffic sources (SEO, paid ads, email, social) even though SEO is his main lane.

[04:30] The “instant result” myth and trust problem

Why SEO takes time: search engines don’t trust you, and trust is built with backlinks from relevant sites, not just keywords on your own pages.

[05:00] Do press releases still help SEO?

Brandon shares how press releases used to be powerful, why they’re now mostly neutral, and why relevance matters more than generic mentions.

[05:45] SEO for builders & local service businesses

Rodric talks about builders who think SEO will directly bring in $2M custom home leads. Brandon explains what’s missing: quality backlinks and realistic expectations.

[06:30] Backlinks, penalties, and “wrong” links

Why the wrong backlinks can get you penalized, why quality beats quantity, and how to think about relevancy (e.g., construction sites, interior designers, home services).

[07:30] Your podcast strategy might be backwards

Rodric asks about podcast SEO. Brandon explains why embedding episodes on your website, turning each into a blog post, and earning backlinks from guests is a game-changer.

[08:00] Why you should host your episodes on your site

Brandon walks through why you should embed YouTube, use show notes, and make your site the “hub”—so guests promote your site, not just the YouTube link.

[09:00] Where SEO starts: keyword research

Brandon shares a personal injury lawyer example: singular vs plural keywords with 20k vs 200k searches—and why buyer intent matters more than raw volume.

[10:00] Topical relevance & internal links

Why one service page won’t cut it anymore, and how supporting blog content + internal linking build authority.

[11:10] The Panda & Penguin updates and the death of spammy SEO

Brandon explains Google’s shift to quality content in 2011–2012, article spinners, and why AI-like spam existed long before AI.

[12:10] “The algorithm isn’t shadow-banning you…your content sucks.”

They reference Alex Hormozi’s point: if no one engages, it’s more likely a content issue than a conspiracy.

[13:00] One good video vs one bad video a day

Quality beats quantity—especially if you’re just posting to “check the box” instead of truly serving your audience.

[14:00] The Power of Guest Podcasting (the book)

Brandon talks about his new book, how he’s been on ~300 shows since 2020, and why guesting is incredibly powerful for backlinks and visibility.

[15:00] How guest podcasting feeds SEO

Using podcast guest spots for backlinks, social content, audience building, and why he does it for both himself and clients.

[16:00] Where to find Brandon’s gift & training

He shares a free gift at SEOOptimizers.com/gift with classes and contact info.

[17:00] Question for the next guest: Why are you guest podcasting?

Brandon wants to know what others value most in guesting beyond content—especially SEO.

[17:30] Where he finds like-minded people

Networking, meetups, his own event since 2013, and why in-person connection still matters more than hiding behind the screen.

[19:00] Podfest, book promotion & learning from other authors

Brandon shares his plan to launch the book at Podfest and connect with other authors for marketing strategies.

[20:30] Final SEO advice: be patient

Why slow growth, small wins, and compound trust beats chasing instant rankings.

💬 Notable Quotes

“SEO isn’t instant. It takes time because search engines and these platforms don’t trust you yet.” – Brandon Liebowitz

“Putting keywords on your website doesn’t do much without third-party sites mentioning you.” – Brandon Liebowitz

“One good video a week will beat seven bad ones every time.” – Brandon Liebowitz

“If you just give me the YouTube link, I’m going to promote YouTube. But if you give me a page on your site, I’ll promote you.” – Brandon Liebowitz

🔗 Connect with Brandon Liebowitz

🌐 Website

🔗 SEO Optimizers (official site) – https://seooptimizers.com/

🔗 Free gift & resources – https://seooptimizers.com/gift

📱 Social Media Profiles

LinkedIn

🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandonleibowitz/

YouTube

🔗 https://www.youtube.com/c/brandonleibowitz/videos

Instagram

🔗 https://www.instagram.com/leibowitzbrandon/

Facebook

🔗 https://www.facebook.com/BrandonLeibs

Twitter / X

🔗 https://twitter.com/brandonleibs

TikTok

🔗 https://www.tiktok.com/@brandonleibowitz

Pinterest

🔗 https://www.pinterest.com/brandonleibowitz/

🔗 Connect with Rodric

🎙 Million Dollar Flip Flops Podcast

📖 Book: Million Dollar Flip Flops – 100% of proceeds support Send a Student Leader Abroad (SASLA)

🌍 SASLA: Helping student leaders build businesses and experience the world through travel

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Ready to transform your business and your life while making a difference? Grab your copy of *Million Dollar Flip Flops*—the ultimate guide to creating a life and business that feels just as good as it looks. And here’s the best part: 100% of the proceeds go directly to our foundation, Send a Student Leader Abroad, with a goal of sending 1,000,000 deserving kids on life-changing trips around the world.

As a thank you for your support, we’re offering exclusive bonuses available only for our podcast listeners. These bonuses are packed with extra tools and resources to help you implement the principles from the book faster and more effectively.

Don’t miss this opportunity to gain invaluable insights, impact a young leader’s life, and be a part of something bigger.

Click the link, order your copy, and claim your listener-only bonuses today!

Together, let’s change lives—one trip at a time.

www.MillionDollarFlipFlops.com/book

**P.S.** Every book you buy gets us one step closer to sending 1,000,000 kids on life-changing adventures. Let’s make it happen!

Episode Summary

In this episode of Million Dollar Flip Flops, Rodric sits down with David Webb, better known as “The No Money Millionaire.”

David grew up in inner-city Detroit with a single mom on welfare, surrounded by people who believed you trade hours for dollars, hope for overtime, and pray it’s enough. No one talked about cash flow. No one modeled passive income.

Today, David buys real estate without using a dime of his own money and helps others break the mindset that says:

“I can’t do that. I don’t have the money. I don’t have the credit.”

He shares how he stumbled into his first two no-money deals, stayed stuck in old beliefs for a decade, and how one apartment building he refused to walk away from in 2020 changed everything.

If you’ve ever said, “That doesn’t work for people like me,” this episode is exactly the interruption you need.

🔑 In This Episode, You’ll Learn

•. How David went from inner-city Detroit & welfare to “The No Money Millionaire”

•. Why “I don’t have money/credit” is usually a mindset problem, not a money problem

•. The story of the apartment building in 2020 that forced him to figure out creative, no-money financing

•. Why going to the bank can be the worst way to fund your deals

•. How he helped a tenant go from “I’ll never own a home” to closing on a triplex with no money out of pocket

•. The Midwest hourly-wage mindset (Big Three culture, overtime, and car-payment math)

•. Why all-commission sales is often the bridge from employee → entrepreneur

• How thoughts, energy, and belief shape what you create in your life and business

•. The old-school book that changed his money mindset: The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles

•. David’s definition of success & why surrounding yourself with like-minded people matters

🕒Highlights & Timestamps

[00:00] – Early real estate & the 2020 turning point

Buying property since the mid-90s, making mistakes, reading books that all felt like “French”… until one apartment building he had to own forced him to figure out no-money financing.

[01:00] – Welcome to Million Dollar Flip Flops

Rodric sets the stage for business owners who want more freedom and time.

[01:30] – Who is David Webb?

David introduces himself as The No Money Millionaire, buying property without his own money and helping others fix their mindset.

[02:30] – Growing up in Detroit

Inner-city Detroit, single mom, public schools, welfare. No one owned homes, let alone talked about passive income.

[03:30] – Two no-money deals… and still stuck

Even after two deals with no money down, David kept chasing down payments, perfect credit, and tax returns because that’s all he’d ever been told.

[04:30] – The apartment building he refused to let go

2020: wanting one particular property so badly that he had to figure out creative financing. Once he solved that, the floodgates opened.

[05:30] – Rodric’s story: raising private money on a deadline

Rodric shares how a banker pulled out last minute, and he funded a deal with a simple promissory note and his network instead.

[06:30] – How to know if you need David’s help

If you’re still saying “this is BS” or “that doesn’t work for people like me,” you probably need a mindset reset. David tells the story of a tenant who believed he’d never own… and now owns a triplex with no money out of pocket.

[08:00] – The Big Three & the hourly mindset

Overtime, raises, and how many hours it takes to make a car payment. Why that mentality keeps people stuck for decades.

[09:30] – The ceiling of $40/hour

Massage therapy at $40/hr sounds great—until you realize you’re capped in income and wrecking your body.

[11:00] – All-commission sales & powerful mentorship

How a friend pulled him into a sales role, and a great mentor taught him about uncapped income and why commission is often the last step before entrepreneurship.

[14:00] – Sales: the missing skill for most business owners

Rodric shares how many builders/developers have no outbound activity or marketing—and no real way to “plan” future revenue.

[15:30] – Where to find David & his free book

David offers his book No Money Millionaire: How to Build Wealth Through Real Estate Without Using a Dime of Your Own Money for free at NoMoneyMillionaire.com.

[17:00] – David’s question for the next guest

“What’s your definition of success?”

[18:00] – Where he finds like-minded people

Rotary Club, Chamber of Commerce, REI groups, masterminds—rooms where people are thoughtfully creating their lives.

[20:00] – Thoughts, energy, and what you’re creating

Thought transference, “thoughts become things,” and why David is very careful about what he thinks and sends out.

[22:00] – Consciousness & The Science of Getting Rich

Rodric brings up non-local consciousness and Dan Brown; David shares how The Science of Getting Rich reshaped his thinking and likely inspired The Secret.

[24:00] – Final takeaway

David: stop turning yourself down before anyone else even gets the chance. You’re probably more capable than you think.

🔗 Connect with David Webb

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What if you stopped living in fear, stopped buying the story you’ve been fed, and actually designed the life you want — on purpose?

In this episode, Rodric sits down with Dennis Meador (DM), a lifelong entrepreneur who now lives on an island in San Pedro, Belize, running a seven-figure business largely from his laptop.

Dennis has been in marketing for 30+ years, with over 22 years focused on the legal industry, and has built multiple businesses that don’t require him to be in the office, the country, or even the same continent.

They dig into:

1. How DM went from mowing lawns at 14 to building multi-million-dollar marketing machines
2. Why he stopped consuming mainstream media during the pandemic and never went back
3. The truth about nomadic living (hint: it’s often cheaper than your current life)
4. The mindset shift from “it must be nice for you” to “why not me?”
5. Burnout, breakdown, and how he rebuilt his life around pace, purpose, and presence

If you’ve ever thought “I’d love to live abroad / travel more / work from anywhere, but it’s impossible for me,” this episode is for you.

1. Why mindset is everything
2. How outliers choose not to live in fear, refuse to be “good employees” on autopilot, and instead design lives that fit them.
3. Born vs built entrepreneurship
4. DM’s take on being “natural born and trauma built,” and how early life experiences accelerated his entrepreneurial skill set.
5. How he designed an island lifestyle
6. The practical choices and business structures that let him live in Belize, travel Europe for months, and still grow his company.
7. The myth that nomadic living is expensive
8. Real numbers and examples: Airbnbs, trains, and why two SUVs at 8% interest often cost more than two months in Thailand.
9. Why most people are anchored by stuff
10. Going from big houses, storage units, and “the Joneses” to an 800 sq ft house on the beach and a goal of just a carry-on + backpack.
11. Media, fear, and your perception of reality
12. Why DM stopped consuming mainstream media, how constant negativity distorts your view of the world, and how to opt out.
13. How travel changes everything
14. From Romania to Belize – seeing communism through local eyes, understanding other cultures, and realizing there’s no “them,” only us.
15. Burnout, breakdown, and pacing
16. How working 20-hour days for years led to a nervous breakdown, and the systems he built to protect his energy now.
17. Building a business that doesn’t need you
18. The story of leaving a legal SEO agency after growing it from 75 to 400+ clients, launching The Legal Podcast Network, and hitting seven figures in year one.
19. The “why not?” philosophy
20. The question DM uses to challenge excuses and invite people into the life they say they want.

(Times approximate – adjust once you have final edit.)

[00:00] Outliers and refusing to live in fear

DM opens with a powerful monologue on outliers — the people who refuse to live defeated, refuse to be who the world wants them to be, and choose to keep moving toward what they want.

[01:00] Who is DM and what does he do?

Living in San Pedro, Belize with his wife, 34 years as an entrepreneur, 30 years in marketing, 22 years in the legal field, and why he wanted to be on Million Dollar Flip Flops.

[02:00] Midwest roots & a life of moving around

From a childhood in 15 states and a dad in the Air Force to calling the Midwest “home base” in the Quad Cities.

[02:40] Are entrepreneurs born or made?

DM’s “natural born and trauma built” philosophy, learning to find money and care for others at 8–10 years old, and how others “outwork the learning curve.”

[04:10] Teaching kids entrepreneurship early

Rodric shares about the foundation and sixth/seventh graders starting businesses before taking international trips — and how those skills show up at 30.

[04:40] First business at 14 & the “next” mantra

Lawn mowing business, hiring little brother and his friends, handling sales and money, learning rejection, and internalizing “next” as a way of life.

[06:00] Not fitting in as an employee & reading 4-Hour Workweek

Burger King at 16, intimidating middle managers, discovering The 4-Hour Workweek, and buying a house in Romania as his first big lifestyle design experiment.

[07:30] Success as a lifestyle enabler, not a trophy

Why DM has always seen money as a tool to fund the life he wants, not a scoreboard to impress others.

[08:20] Nomadic life is cheaper than you think

Two months in Europe, $100 flights, $27 one-night stays vs $270 multi-night Airbnbs, and why “vacation math” makes people think travel is impossible.

[10:50] Shedding stuff & trading SUVs for Thailand

Downsizing from big houses and storage units to an 800 sq ft house on the beach, aiming for just a carry-on and backpack, and rethinking Christmas and gifts.

[12:30] Designing your business around your life

Rodric’s experience running real estate development while living in Costa Rica, and the question most people never ask: “What do I want a Tuesday next year to look like?”

[13:30] Media, fear, and curated negativity

Why DM stopped consuming mainstream media during the pandemic, how outlier events get presented as the norm, and the emotional cost of nonstop negativity.

[16:10] Algorithms, echo chambers, and your feed

Rodric shares how his feed is filled with people winning, while others live in a digital apocalypse — same world, different inputs.

[17:30] Travel, perspective, and ‘no them, only us’

How SASLA uses international trips to destroy “them vs us” thinking early, and DM’s experience in Romania humanizing life under communism.

[20:00] The Legal Podcast Network & Authority Podcast Network

What DM actually does now: marketing ecosystem with podcasting at the center — 30 days of content from one 30-minute show, full turn-key production for legal and beyond.

[24:30] Question for the next guest: finding like-minded people

DM’s question: “Where do you cultivate like-minded people like us?” and his excitement about joining a location-independent entrepreneur group in Mexico.

[26:00] Avoiding burnout: loving the work & pacing

Why he loves what he does, what 20-hour workdays did to him, the nervous breakdown at 36, and building systems so he can disappear for a week if needed.

[29:00] Notebooks, ideas, and using a VA as a brain extension

Capturing ideas on paper, letting his VA organize them into boards and systems, and why flowing naturally works better than forcing perfect organization.

[30:20] Leaving the SEO agency & starting over

Five years building a legal SEO company from 75 to 400+ clients, revenue from < $1M to ~$5M, getting bought out right before his wedding, then launching his own company.

[31:30] Year one: seven figures and 200+ clients

What The Legal Podcast Network has become: 200 clients, 60+ team members, seven figures in year one, and plans to 2.5x next year.

[32:00] Final challenge: why not?

DM’s closing message: stop saying “if I could, I would,” and start asking “why can’t I?” Why not you living on an island, traveling eight months a year, or building the life you really want?

“Those of us who are the outliers are the ones who say, ‘No, I’m not living like that. I’m not gonna live in fear. I’m gonna keep moving forward to find what I want.’ And the people that do that… always, always, always find it.” – Dennis Meador

“I’m natural born and trauma built.” – Dennis Meador

“Vacation math is not lifestyle math.” – Dennis Meador

“If you want the life, you have to finance the life — but there are two sides to that equation: income and what you’re willing to let go of.” – Dennis Meador

“I’m not trying to turn over a new leaf. I’m trying to make more leaves. I like what I have.” – Dennis Meador

“Why not? Why can’t you live on an island? Why can’t you travel eight months a year? Why can’t you do the things you keep saying ‘if I could, I would’?” – Dennis Meador

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If LinkedIn still feels like “that place bankers go to hire people,” this episode will change how you see it.

Rodric sits down with Al Kushner, author of The AI LinkedIn Advantage, to break down how to use AI + LinkedIn together to save time, show up strategically, and position yourself as a thought leader — without living on the platform 24/7.

Al has been on LinkedIn for over 20 years. He’s watched it shift from stiff online résumé storage to a powerful professional social network where content, video, and personal branding actually matter.

They talk about how to optimize your profile, use AI to generate content ideas, newsletters, and video scripts, and how business owners, entrepreneurs, and job seekers can all use LinkedIn more intentionally to open doors and opportunities.

1. Why content is still king on LinkedIn
2. And how AI can help you generate article ideas, newsletter topics, and even scripts for short, engaging videos.
3. How to use AI to show up as a thought leader
4. Not to fake expertise, but to organize your ideas, polish your messaging, and stay consistent.
5. The foundation: your profile
6. Why your profile is your first impression, why it needs to be updated at least quarterly, and which sections matter most (headline, photo, banner, About, and more).
7. How business owners should really be thinking about LinkedIn
8. It’s not just for job seekers — it’s for prospecting, partnerships, recruiting, and credibility.
9. What The AI LinkedIn Advantage book will help you do
10. From choosing the right photos and headlines to using premium tools like Sales Navigator and doing strategic outreach.
11. Why being active matters more than being perfect
12. Posting, commenting, and engaging regularly beats having a “perfect” profile you never touch.
13. A simple mindset shift if you “hate LinkedIn”
14. How to see it as a tool to showcase your real-world abilities and connect with real humans, not just a place to upload your résumé.

(Times are approximate and based on the flow of the conversation.)

[00:00] Content is king (especially on LinkedIn)

Al opens with why content drives everything on LinkedIn — and how AI can brainstorm article ideas, draft newsletter content, and write scripts for the videos LinkedIn loves.

[00:45] Welcome to Million Dollar Flip Flops

Rodric frames the podcast for new listeners and sets the stage: this is about freedom, time, and building a life you actually want.

[01:15] Who is Al Kushner and what is The AI LinkedIn Advantage?

Al introduces himself, his new book, and how it helps people use AI + LinkedIn strategically to save time and build thought leadership.

[02:10] 20+ years on LinkedIn: from résumés to real content

Al shares how long he’s been on LinkedIn, how the platform has evolved, and why he naturally gravitated toward educating people about using it well.

[03:00] Common questions people ask about LinkedIn

Optimizing your profile, being strategic with connections, and why most people still treat LinkedIn like a static résumé instead of a living brand.

[03:45] Where AI actually fits into your LinkedIn strategy

Using AI to brainstorm post ideas, draft articles, outline newsletters, and create scripts — not to replace your voice, but to amplify it.

[04:30] LinkedIn as a hiring & opportunity engine

Al explains why employers and decision-makers are absolutely checking your LinkedIn profile and why it’s still the #1 place many companies go to find talent and partners.

[05:05] One billion users — and why your profile must be current

They talk about LinkedIn crossing 1B users and why you cannot afford to have outdated or inaccurate info, especially if you’re established in your field.

[05:45] Builders and business owners who ignore LinkedIn

Rodric shares examples of builders whose profiles still list old jobs from 10 years ago. If it’s out there, it needs to be right.

[06:20] How often should you update your profile?

Al suggests reviewing and updating at least once a quarter, and why staying active on the platform is just as important.

[07:00] What the book actually walks you through

1. Optimizing profile sections
2. Crafting headlines that attract the right people
3. Choosing photos that resonate
4. Structuring outreach and connection strategies
5. Using tools like Sales Navigator for job seekers and business owners

[08:00] Becoming a thought leader on the platform

Al explains how consistent content + a strong profile + smart networking can position you as a trusted expert in your niche.

[08:40] Where to get The AI LinkedIn Advantage and free tools

Book availability on Amazon, audio on Spotify, and a free optimization worksheet at linkvantage.com/audit.

[09:20] The AI Authority Edge podcast

Al shares his new podcast, The AI Authority Edge, dropping four times a week and focused on AI, LinkedIn, and tech-driven authority building.

[09:50] Al’s question for the next guest

“When was the last time you updated your LinkedIn profile?” — and why that question matters more than people think.

[10:20] One bold move Al’s been waiting to make

He talks about the launch of his next book drawn from his AI expertise, and why he’s excited to share more with the world.

[11:00] Final invitation & wrap-up

Al invites listeners to connect with him on LinkedIn, check out the book and worksheet, and start using AI to show up more strategically.

“Content is king on the platform. So with AI, you can come up with ideas for articles, newsletters, and even scripts for the videos LinkedIn really likes.” – Al Kushner

“You don’t get a second chance to make a first impression — and on LinkedIn, your profile is that first impression.” – Al Kushner

“AI is a great tool to help you become really great at connecting with people. It doesn’t replace you; it helps you show up better.” – Al Kushner

“If it’s going to be out there, it has to be correct.” – Rodric

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Episode Summary

In this episode, Rodric sits down with entrepreneur and former teacher Billy Sammons, founder of Live Local Warm Marketing, to talk about ditching cold leads and building a business on relationships instead.

Billy shares how a simple decision to film a free commercial for a local brewery turned into a repeatable strategy for meeting business owners, becoming the “mini mayor” of his town, and growing his business for 16+ years without buying leads or getting yelled at on cold calls at 9am.

They dig into why builders and other local pros can’t afford to just sit in their trucks waiting for million-dollar jobs to fall from the sky, how to become the person everyone in your town knows and trusts, and why old-school human connection is about to matter even more in an AI-saturated world.

You’ll also hear Billy’s simple 3-step warm marketing framework, his barebones video setup, and a powerful conversation about burnout, time, and only saying yes to opportunities you’d be willing to do tomorrow.

In This Episode, You’ll Learn

• Why Billy walked away from cold leads after one week and built his business through warm, local relationships instead.
• How a free commercial for a local brewery became the blueprint for Live Local Warm Marketing.
• The power of serving business owners first so they open their audiences up to you.
• How builders and other pros can stop “doing nothing” for marketing and start attracting ideal clients locally.
• Billy’s simple 3-question framework for warm marketing: who you need to meet, how you can add value, and what they actually need.
• The minimal tech setup for effective local video: phone, tripod, and lapel mic.
• Why handwritten notes, lunches, and “hand-to-hand combat” will always beat passive social media alone.
• How to think about burnout, boundaries, and time so you can keep adding value without working yourself into the ground.
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Highlights & Timestamps

[02:30] Who is Billy Sammons and what is Live Local Warm Marketing?

Billy introduces himself and explains how he teaches entrepreneurs to grow with warm marketing instead of cold leads, paid lists, and miserable cold calls.

[03:40] The brewery commercial that started it all

Billy shares his “superhero origin story”: a new local brewery, a free commercial, and how that one act of generosity turned into more videos, more relationships, and a thriving referral network.

[04:50] From growing an audience to serving business owners

Billy realizes that the real niche isn’t just building his own audience—it’s meeting business owners, giving them something valuable, and letting their audiences discover him in return.

[05:45] Builders doing “nothing” for leads

Rodric talks about home builders who spend $0 on marketing, sit in their trucks waiting for million-dollar jobs, and then wonder why they don’t have leads. They riff on simple lead magnets, real value, and how warm marketing fits in.

[07:45] Case study: becoming the preferred builder for a big employer

Rodric shares a client example: a builder who approached a major trucking company to become the preferred builder for their C-suite. Billy breaks down why it’s smart and how he’d think about adding value to larger companies.

[09:30] Finding pain points and adding value (including short-term rentals)

They brainstorm ways builders can help with relocation, short-term housing, and solving real problems for big employers—then tying that into permanent home builds.

[10:30] Where do you start if you’re overwhelmed?

Billy walks through a starting point using real estate as an example: lenders, title companies, breweries, bakeries, charities, schools, and other local hubs where you can easily add value and become the local expert.

[11:40] Don’t overcomplicate it: Billy’s 3 questions and simple setup

Billy shares the three core questions—Who do you need to meet? How can you add value? What do they need?—and the only gear you really need: a phone, tripod, and lapel mic.

[12:50] From high school teacher to “mini mayor” of his town

Billy explains how his background as a teacher and his frustration with big box stores erasing local identity pushed him to get off the sidelines and help small businesses tell their stories.

[14:00] The myth that you “have to” buy leads

They break down the industry lie that you must buy leads and pound the phones to pay your dues—and why warm marketing, face-to-face, is cheaper, easier, and more loyal than cold lists.

[16:00] Hand-to-hand combat vs hiding behind social media

Rodric shares his “hand-to-hand combat” philosophy: lunches, coffees, office drop-ins with donuts, and handwritten thank-you cards that nobody else is sending—especially in the age of AI and digital everything.

[17:10] AI saturation and why human connection wins

Billy predicts a wave of generic AI content that becomes white noise—and explains why a real human showing up to create a podcast or video with a business owner will always stand out.

[18:50] Burnout, time audits, and protecting your calendar

They talk about burnout as more people try to “do it all” with AI’s help. Rodric shares his time audit work with clients and how much money builders leave on the table staying stuck in low-value tasks.

[20:15] The “Would you do it tomorrow?” filter

Rodric shares a simple decision rule: if you wouldn’t have time to do that speaking event or opportunity tomorrow, you probably won’t have time in six months either—so say no now. Billy loves it and plans to use it.

[21:30] When Billy last updated his LinkedIn (and why it matters)

Billy answers the previous guest’s question about LinkedIn, shares that he recently updated his profile after pivoting the business, and they laugh about outdated glamor shots and profiles that still say “pizza shop” from 12 years ago.

[23:00] Final encouragement: go give in your community

Billy wraps with a simple challenge: it’s a perfect time—especially around the holidays—to get into your community, give without expecting a return, and trust that the residual benefits will show up down the road.

Notable Quotes

“If you give business owners something of value, they open their audience up to you.” – Billy Sammons

“Don’t make it complicated. If you make it complicated, you won’t do it.” – Billy Sammons

“If you’re always making yourself useful, you’re always going to be around.” – Billy Sammons

“It’s so much cheaper and easier just to warm market and meet people face-to-face than it is paying for cold leads you have to hound.” – Billy Sammons

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🌐 Website: www.LiveLocalWarmMarketing.com

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Episode Summary

In this powerful conversation, Holly Porter shares the near-death experience that completely rewired her life, business, and beliefs. 

After 70 days in the hospital with COVID, multiple intubations, sepsis, and a trach, she left her body, visited what she calls “the stadium,” met an entity in the in-between, and came back with a simple but life-altering message: “Love them where they’re at.”

Holly and Rodric explore what happens when your definition of success shifts from hustle and achievement to happiness, purpose, and service—and how to actually live that in business.

• [00:00] Meet Holly – mom of 8, 19 grandkids & serial entrepreneur Holly introduces herself, her family, and her long history of running multiple businesses with her “calm to my storm” husband.
• [05:00] 70 days in the hospital: COVID, sepsis, trach & the edge of death. Holly walks through how a “perfectly healthy” woman ended up with a 70-day hospital stay, two intubations, and life-threatening infections.
• [07:30] Out-of-body, spiritual experiences & the full NDE She explains the three types of experiences—out-of-body, spiritual transformative (STE), and classic near-death—and how she had all of them.
• [10:30] The stadium of souls, angelic music & telepathic conversations Holly describes being rolled through the hospital in her bed, suddenly arriving in an enormous stadium full of floating souls, blinding light, and music from all directions.
• [13:30] The life review & two clear instructions from God Holly only sees the “good” in her life review and is given two specific assignments:
• Don’t partner with a billionaire-backed software company (even though it would be “faster”).
• Start a nonprofit called Adventure Bucket Wish—with no mission yet, just the name.
• [17:00] The in-between, the entity named Darby & why she felt “kidnapped”. Through hypnosis, Holly revisits her NDE and meets an entity in the in-between who wanted her light. She realizes this is why she came back feeling kidnapped—and why she kept spelling “KIDNAP” to her sister on the alphabet board.
• [20:30] 11 leaves, 11 roots & the language of symbols. How the tree in her software logo and the rose quartz hearts in her nonprofit gift bags later revealed themselves as confirmations of her experience (and the 11:11 thread that runs through her life).
• [24:30] Two years of “hell” after the hospital & the lesson of loving people where they are. Holly openly shares the darkest season that followed—family turmoil, long COVID, PTSD—and the single message from God that changed everything: “Love them where they’re at.”
• [28:30] Rebuilding business: retreats, software, and a redefined mission. Holly explains Retreat R & R, her retreat leader software and concierge brand, and how she shifted the nonprofit’s mission when she got the clear download that long COVID was no longer her path.
• [31:00] Purpose, money & philanthropy Rodric and Holly talk about making money to do good—how building, scaling, and selling businesses can fund philanthropy rather than ego, and why both of them are obsessed with impact over status.
• [35:00] Success redefined: happy vs. “crushing it” Holly’s new definition of success is one word—happy. Rodric shares his own metric: doing what he wants, when he wants, where he wants, with who he wants, for as long as he wants.
• [37:30] Final message for the holidays & beyond Holly leaves listeners with a simple, practical spiritual charge: Drop the judgment, especially with family. Love them where they’re at.

• “I didn’t get a choice whether I stayed or went. I was put back. And when I woke up, I felt kidnapped.” – Holly
• “Love them where they’re at. That one message would’ve saved me two years of hell.” – Holly
• “Why would I charge less when I know what I’m going to do with the money?” – Rodric
• “Success to me now is one word: happy.” – Holly

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Ready to transform your business and your life while making a difference? Grab your copy of *Million Dollar Flip Flops*—the ultimate guide to creating a life and business that feels just as good as it looks. And here’s the best part: 100% of the proceeds go directly to our foundation, Send a Student Leader Abroad, with a goal of sending 1,000,000 deserving kids on life-changing trips around the world.

As a thank you for your support, we’re offering exclusive bonuses available only for our podcast listeners. These bonuses are packed with extra tools and resources to help you implement the principles from the book faster and more effectively.

Don’t miss this opportunity to gain invaluable insights, impact a young leader’s life, and be a part of something bigger.

Click the link, order your copy, and claim your listener-only bonuses today!

Together, let’s change lives—one trip at a time.

www.MillionDollarFlipFlops.com/book

**P.S.** Every book you buy gets us one step closer to sending 1,000,000 kids on life-changing adventures. Let’s make it happen!

In this episode, Rodric sits down with entrepreneur, speaker, and financial literacy coach Angela Goodman to unpack the truth behind “money problems.” 

Angela shares the hard-won lessons from leaving corporate HVAC, surviving (and choosing to exit) the restaurant world, and coaching business owners who are great at their craft but broke on paper.

They dig into discernment, boundaries, self-worth, and communication—and why most entrepreneurs don’t actually have money problems… they have people problems and self-valuation problems. 

You’ll also hear about fearless experimentation (including cutting into a dream hot rod to learn welding), human design, and why you wouldn’t desire the thing if you weren’t capable of doing the thing.

• Why Angela walked away from corporate America and bought a restaurant she’d “never do again.”
• How short-term rentals, multifamily, and restaurants can make you question humanity—and what those experiences taught her about boundaries.
• The link between communication, self-worth, and cash flow (and why it’s almost never “just the money”).
• How to become radically picky about clients and partnerships—and why Angela tests people before they know they’re being tested.
• Rodric’s Four Futures framework and the moment you hit “no more” and never go back.
• The real cost of refusing to invest in help, even when you’re leaving millions on the table.
• What human design and spiritual work have to do with business, money, and why you’re on earth.
• A simple but powerful reframe from Channel Panel:
• “You wouldn’t desire to do the thing if you weren’t capable of doing the thing.”

Angela describes herself as “just a girl from Virginia,” but the resume is a little bigger than that:

• Started in commercial HVAC, one of the few women in the industry.
• Climbed into leadership managing large teams and a $25M business.
• Left corporate to buy into a restaurant franchise, grinding 24/7, surviving COVID, and ultimately choosing to exit.
• Invested in multifamily and other ventures that taught her hard lessons about partners, discernment, and trusting the wrong people.
• Today she works with business owners on financial literacy, communication, and culture, helping them stop being “poor entrepreneurs” and start running profitable companies aligned with who they really are.

You’ll find her speaking to rooms of accountants, trades, and entrepreneurs on money, leadership, and communication—then heading off to Antarctica and beyond for bucket-list adventures.

00:00 – Antarctica, Easter Island & Lifetime Trips

Rodric and Angela open with travel talk: Antarctica, Machu Picchu, Easter Island, tennis majors, and why Angela wants to go where nobody else has been.

03:23 – “I’m Just a Girl from Virginia” – Angela’s Origin Story

Angela shares how she went from commercial HVAC to buying a restaurant franchise, and why she’s now exiting to focus on helping business owners “figure out their sh*t.”

06:36 – Restaurants, Airbnbs & Questioning Humanity

They compare war stories: restaurant guests, short-term rentals, multifamily tenants… and how certain businesses can make you seriously rethink how much you like people.

08:49 – Learning Discernment the Hard Way

Angela talks about bad partnerships, being owed hundreds of thousands of dollars, and realizing she trusted the wrong people. Discernment became a learned skill—not a personality trait.

10:54 – No More Net-30: Why Angela Gets Paid Upfront

Why she no longer works with anyone who won’t pay first—even if they’re wildly successful. Lessons learned from deals that went sideways and clients without an “oh shit” plan.

12:03 – Making It Hard to Work with You (On Purpose)

Angela explains the tests she quietly puts prospective clients through to see if they’re telling the truth, willing to change, and actually ready to do the work.

13:17 – The Four Futures & The “No More” Line

Rodric shares his Four Futures framework and the red box he calls “no more”—the point where you raise your toleration level and never dip below it again in money, health, or boundaries.

14:29 – Weight, Money & Radical Transparency

Angela draws parallels between weight loss and money: until the pain is high enough, people won’t change. She explains how guilt, shame, and entitlement cause people to lie about money on both ends of the spectrum.

18:02 – Leaving Millions on the Table

Rodric talks about builders stuck at $5–6M who could be doing $10M, but refuse to invest in help and instead cobble it together on YouTube—leaving millions (and years) on the table.

18:49 – A 400-Employee Company with No Communication

Angela tells the story of a Carolina-based firm with HVAC, plumbing, and electrical divisions—none of which talk to each other. They’re leaving millions of dollars on the table due to zero cross-trade communication and weak leadership.

23:09 – “You Don’t Have a Money Problem”

Angela: most clients show up saying they have a money problem, but the root is self-worth, pricing, and communication. Undercharging, poor costing, and old money wounds are the real issues.

26:01 – Coaching Humans, Not Spreadsheets

Rodric reflects on getting his ICF training at Brown and realizing he can coach anyone, not because he knows every industry, but because humans are humans. The work isn’t tactics—it’s behavior.

30:07 – Fearlessness, Failure & Frenching Taillights

They swap stories on being “fearless operators,” including Rodric teaching himself to weld by cutting into his dream ’32 coupe. Worst case? You learn and pay someone anyway.

31:29 – Why Most People Can’t Move Fast

Angela: her brain moves fast and she’s not afraid to fail in public. Most people are limited by fear—fear of looking foolish, fear of tinkering, fear of getting it wrong.

35:03 – Born Entrepreneur or Built Entrepreneur?

Can you learn entrepreneurship, or are you born with it? Angela believes anyone who truly desires it can learn—if they’re willing to remove their self-imposed limitations.

35:49 – “You Wouldn’t Desire It If You Weren’t Capable”

Rodric shares a key line from Channel Panel: “You wouldn’t desire to do the thing if you weren’t capable of doing the thing.” They connect this to Rodric and Nichole’s Send a Student Leader Abroad foundation and the goal of sending 1,000,000 kids on trips.

39:16 – Where to Find Angela & Her Mission Today

Angela shares how to connect with her, her speaking work with CPAs and trades, and why helping business owners with money and communication is the through-line of everything she does.

40:50 – Who Taught You Your Best Habits?

Angela answers the previous guest’s question and honors a mentor from an acquired mechanical services company who was the first person to show her who she really was as a leader.

“Most entrepreneurs don’t have a money problem. They have a self-worth and communication problem.” – Angela

“I don’t have a fear of failure. If I screw it up, I learn something new. That’s a win.” – Angela

“You’re never really starting from scratch. You’re starting from experience.” – Rodric

📲 Instagram: @msangelagoodman (primary place she hangs out)

            📲 Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/valkyrieventuresgroup/

            📲 Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angela-goodman-96879015/

             🌐 Website: https://valkyrieventuresgroup.com/

Speaking, consulting & appearances: details and whereabouts are all linked from her Instagram.

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Ready to transform your business and your life while making a difference? Grab your copy of *Million Dollar Flip Flops*—the ultimate guide to creating a life and business that feels just as good as it looks. And here’s the best part: 100% of the proceeds go directly to our foundation, Send a Student Leader Abroad, with a goal of sending 1,000,000 deserving kids on life-changing trips around the world.

As a thank you for your support, we’re offering exclusive bonuses available only for our podcast listeners. These bonuses are packed with extra tools and resources to help you implement the principles from the book faster and more effectively.

Don’t miss this opportunity to gain invaluable insights, impact a young leader’s life, and be a part of something bigger.

Click the link, order your copy, and claim your listener-only bonuses today!

Together, let’s change lives—one trip at a time.

www.MillionDollarFlipFlops.com/book

**P.S.** Every book you buy gets us one step closer to sending 1,000,000 kids on life-changing adventures. Let’s make it happen!

Ryan Fahey (pronounced “Foy”) — consultant, speaker, and author of four books helping educators launch and scale as entrepreneurs.

Big ideas & highlights

• Authentic > algorithmic: why clear opinions outperform beige, AI-generated content.
• The “last 20%” of growth: being fully yourself so the right people follow.
• Teachers → founders: turning buried skills into offers, pricing with confidence.
• Speaking starter kit: assets to collect before chasing stages.
• “Add value daily”: the habit that compounds in life and business.
• Impact beyond the balance sheet—and why sticking around wins the long game

Timestamps / chapters

• 00:00 – Cold open, baseball talk, PEI & Blue Ridge vibes
• 03:55 – Who is Ryan Fahey? Dad, husband, entrepreneur, speaker, author
• 05:40 – Authenticity as the growth unlock (“the last 20%”)
• 07:50 – AI everywhere vs. human voice; why 1 real video beats 100 clones
• 09:25 – “Don’t be the mayor of vanilla town”: have an opinion, repel & attract
• 11:45 – Niche & offers: helping educators become entrepreneurs
• 14:45 – Humble pricing, buried skills, and making the leap efficiently
• 16:50 – Should you write the book first? Sequencing brand → book for lift
• 17:55 – Speaking: assets, testimonials, and building your page
• 18:40 – First stage stories and the virtual keynote era
• 21:33 – Listener chain: “What keystone habits make you unstoppable?”
• 22:15 – Impact goals that don’t show up on a P&L
• 23:53 – Rodric on service, time studies, and keeping energy-rich work

Ryan Fahey Quotes:

• “Don’t be the mayor of vanilla town.”
• “People follow real people. One piece of you beats 100 pieces of fake you.”
• “If you add value daily, the market will reward you over time.”
• “Most teachers already have the skills— they’re just buried.”
• “Stick around long enough and you win the long game.”

Resources & mentions

• Ryan’s site: faheyconsulting.org
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/fahey-consulting/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wellnessrf88/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wellnessrf
• Rodric’s foundation: Send a Student Leader Abroad (SASLA)
• EF Tours (context around student travel)
• Books referenced: Robin Sharma

Housekeeping

• Ryan’s question for the next guest: “What keystone habits make you unstoppable?”
• Pronunciation note: Fahey = “Foy.”

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Million Dollar Flip Flops

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Ready to transform your business and your life while making a difference? Grab your copy of *Million Dollar Flip Flops*—the ultimate guide to creating a life and business that feels just as good as it looks. And here’s the best part: 100% of the proceeds go directly to our foundation, Send a Student Leader Abroad, with a goal of sending 1,000,000 deserving kids on life-changing trips around the world.

As a thank you for your support, we’re offering exclusive bonuses available only for our podcast listeners. These bonuses are packed with extra tools and resources to help you implement the principles from the book faster and more effectively.

Don’t miss this opportunity to gain invaluable insights, impact a young leader’s life, and be a part of something bigger.

Click the link, order your copy, and claim your listener-only bonuses today!

Together, let’s change lives—one trip at a time.

www.MillionDollarFlipFlops.com/book

**P.S.** Every book you buy gets us one step closer to sending 1,000,000 kids on life-changing adventures. Let’s make it happen!