Well after a second take we were able to finally record this episode. I am so thankful for my friend Pastor Kirk who joins us in this episode. We often talk about life, ministry, and technology but in this episode, we talk about something he said that stuck out to me recently. We talk about doing our best to make people feel welcomed to church. Join me as we laugh and talk with pastor Kirk and get to hear his insights into helping people feel welcomed. 

In this episode I am joined by an old friend of mine, pastor Tim Salzarulo. It's been great to reconnect with him and get a chance to hear a little about where life has taken him since we last spent time together. He has taken his family to China, and then back to CA again. Throughout the little of his story that we get to hear, you will hear him talk about what it means to follow Jesus. Join us as we talk about what that means IRL.